Guys what is the worst spider starter?

[arachn0ph0b1a]

i kow jumping spiders and tarantulas are the best but what about the worst ones, im curious

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

i kow jumping spiders and tarantulas are the best but what about the worst ones, im curious

Huntsman are probably the fastest so I’d go with those. Or recluse because it’s venom.

 

[Brewser]

Atrax robustus

 

[Godsmack1934]

Huntsman are probably the fastest so I’d go with those. Or recluse because it’s venom.

I'd say a widow may not be the best either for the same reason as the recluse, but a widow would still be a good start for the more venomous side. But i agree huntsmen would likely be the worst.

 

[spideyspinneret78]

I'm going to go with Phoneutria species, or as another person mentioned, A. robustus.

 

[Arachnopotamus Rex]

Worst starter genus list (Hot list, can cause serious harm or death):
Sicarius
Hexophthalma
Atrax
Hadronyche
Macrothele
Phoneutria

You get bit by any of the above and you are likely in for a very bad time, especially if you live in an area with no antivenom for the species that bit you.

 

[Mustafa67]

i kow jumping spiders and tarantulas are the best but what about the worst ones, im curious

I think Atmetochilus songsangchoeti would be one of the worst ones for a beginner

 

[Ratmosphere]

Any Sicarius.

 

[Tbone192]

I think Atmetochilus songsangchoeti would be one of the worst ones for a beginner

Pretty easy to care for IMO, but only if you understand and respect spiders. I have never seen mine aboveground except when I rehoused her. Definitely not a good starter for sure but probably a solid start into trapdoor and funnel-webs.

OP I feel like you are trying to find out so you can get the worst starter spider...just a feeling. Please refrain from doing so as this can be dangerous for yourself and those around you. Consider this carefully.

 

[darkness975]

Worst starter genus list (Hot list, can cause serious harm or death):
Sicarius
Hexophthalma
Atrax
Hadronyche
Macrothele
Phoneutria

You get bit by any of the above and you are likely in for a very bad time, especially if you live in an area with no antivenom for the species that bit you.

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[Matt Man]

Atracidae / Hexatheladrae

 

[Kada]

All species of animal are the worst species to keep if someone is asking this question in a serious manner. few spiders are "hard"if one has done the necessary work to figure out how to care for it. some may require entire rooms and climate controls. But one should know that and prepare before purchase.

We don't need the spider industry to be like the dog, cat, bird or fish industries where they sell you some BS to make a sale and the animal suffers long term. Or dies.

No spider is difficult if you know what to do. The difficult part is spending the time and resources to do the right thing BEFIRE acquiring the spider. or any animal. Or having a child for that matter.

I come from a more reptile/amphibian background. But in terms of responsibility towards the animal, I feel the amount of understanding to keep a mamba and a corn snake is the same (the only difference is the responsibility towards humans. Ie. Getting bit). the difference is people tend to be lazy and selfish and confuse an animal being hardy as easy. That simply isn't the case, that's just willful selfishness and should be discouraged from a young age! Outside of hots, we could use chameleons vs leopard geckos ad an example. The same amount of effort should go into preparing the enclosure and care. But people will say chameleons, uroplatus etc are harder to keep than leopard geckos when it is factually incorrect. The difference is leopard geckos will survive a kritter keeper at torture level temperatures while the others won't. That's on the responsible person, not the animal. People need to take his responsibility far more serious. If they can't spend the time, energy and money required to do things right, stuck to video games instead. Or observe them in the wild and have a hands off policy.

Reading posts about people catching wild animals, such as isopds, later asking why they died. Or saying they cant afford a certain feeder etc is really beyond cringey.


If one can't, then don't. Very simple.

 

[Ghost 123]

For Me, The Worst Starter Would Be The Atrax robostus

 

[Arachnopotamus Rex]

All species of animal are the worst species to keep if someone is asking this question in a serious manner. few spiders are "hard"if one has done the necessary work to figure out how to care for it. some may require entire rooms and climate controls. But one should know that and prepare before purchase.

We don't need the spider industry to be like the dog, cat, bird or fish industries where they sell you some BS to make a sale and the animal suffers long term. Or dies.

No spider is difficult if you know what to do. The difficult part is spending the time and resources to do the right thing BEFIRE acquiring the spider. or any animal. Or having a child for that matter.

I come from a more reptile/amphibian background. But in terms of responsibility towards the animal, I feel the amount of understanding to keep a mamba and a corn snake is the same (the only difference is the responsibility towards humans. Ie. Getting bit). the difference is people tend to be lazy and selfish and confuse an animal being hardy as easy. That simply isn't the case, that's just willful selfishness and should be discouraged from a young age! Outside of hots, we could use chameleons vs leopard geckos ad an example. The same amount of effort should go into preparing the enclosure and care. But people will say chameleons, uroplatus etc are harder to keep than leopard geckos when it is factually incorrect. The difference is leopard geckos will survive a kritter keeper at torture level temperatures while the others won't. That's on the responsible person, not the animal. People need to take his responsibility far more serious. If they can't spend the time, energy and money required to do things right, stuck to video games instead. Or observe them in the wild and have a hands off policy.

Reading posts about people catching wild animals, such as isopds, later asking why they died. Or saying they cant afford a certain feeder etc is really beyond cringey.


If one can't, then don't. Very simple.

You are overthinking the issue.
As with any form of caretaking, mastery of it is learned by experience. You can research for years and still know very little until you actually go about doing it yourself, and your own experiences may differ than those you read about or see in a video.

Life is unpredictable, and caring for living things is an experience learned skill full of deviations from the expected.
The topic at hand is when doing said training, you do not want a rookie mistake to land you in the hospital or coffin, and no matter how much literature or video research you do prior to acquiring a spider or any other animal, you are going to be surprised by the unexpected time and time again.

Thats not to say such research is useless, but they are no more useful than asking a question on this forum, so being critical of that question is silly.
The only real factor here is venom potency vs experience level, the rest is easily adjusted for by learning the ropes.

The corn snake may require the same amount of effort, but if you get something wrong once (and when starting out, research or not, you eventually will) you don't end up with cardiac arrest.
Only people who have a lot of hands on experience with large fast spiders should attempt rearing hots, and even then overconfidence is bad.

 

[Spiderman65]

i kow jumping spiders and tarantulas are the best but what about the worst ones, im curious

Don't keep recluses, wolf spiders, grass spiders, velvet spiders or spitting spiders. Very odd care for them that are more advanced and recluses are medically significant.
Wolf and grass spiders need great big areas to roam and are unhappy in small enclosures from my experience. Velvet spiders are very short lived. My male only lived a few months, and they're rare to find. Spitting spiders are cool too own and watch hunt but they're just real small. Huntsmans are fast. Wandering spiders can be medically significant. Trapdoor spiders aren't too exciting to keep unless you like looking at dirt. Sandspiders are generally medically significant and very fast.

My best suggestions are Ogre faced spiders and widows. Clints Reptiles on YouTube has an incredible in depth take on widows. They're easy to keep, non confrontational, affordable, common and beautiful. My girl lets me handle her to show her at schools for kiddos. Just don't try to do that immediately, it took months for her to grow up big and confident enough to let me mess with her. They eat pests like flies and mosquitoes and are very entertaining. Ogre faced spiders get good sized and thrive in an arboreal tank, they're incredible to observe hunting. They're easy to find and keep and are just absolutely amazing. Neither of these are really long lived tho, I've been really lucky with my widow living for almost a year. Hope this helped

 

[Arachnopotamus Rex]

Don't keep recluses, wolf spiders, grass spiders, velvet spiders or spitting spiders. Very odd care for them that are more advanced and recluses are medically significant.
Wolf and grass spiders need great big areas to roam and are unhappy in small enclosures from my experience. Velvet spiders are very short lived. My male only lived a few months, and they're rare to find. Spitting spiders are cool too own and watch hunt but they're just real small. Huntsmans are fast. Wandering spiders can be medically significant. Trapdoor spiders aren't too exciting to keep unless you like looking at dirt. Sandspiders are generally medically significant and very fast.

My best suggestions are Ogre faced spiders and widows. Clints Reptiles on YouTube has an incredible in depth take on widows. They're easy to keep, non confrontational, affordable, common and beautiful. My girl lets me handle her to show her at schools for kiddos. Just don't try to do that immediately, it took months for her to grow up big and confident enough to let me mess with her. They eat pests like flies and mosquitoes and are very entertaining. Ogre faced spiders get good sized and thrive in an arboreal tank, they're incredible to observe hunting. They're easy to find and keep and are just absolutely amazing. Neither of these are really long lived tho, I've been really lucky with my widow living for almost a year. Hope this helped

I didn't know ogre faced spiders were in the pet trade, those things have an almost cartoonish appearance to them, definitely a fave.

 

[Ramen]

Phoneutria boliviensis.

 

[The Snark]

i kow jumping spiders and tarantulas are the best but what about the worst ones, im curious

Come on people. No criteria given for what establishes 'worst'. Everyone assumes medically significant the average putz keeper, containment requirements, precautions need to be taken, feeding, diet, keeper knowledge and experience and other incidentals get sidelined. And then we have the propensity for the spider to bite and under what circumstances.
Then we have the easiest, Ts and jumpers which also has loads of variables.

The hardest spider to keep is probably wild caught long jawed orb weavers. They are pretty much the fussiest when it comes to environment that will produce viable offspring which is the gold standard of proper care.
The easiest would be pholcids. No containment or maintenance required. Just cajole it into building a web in a satisfactory location and enjoy your cohabitant.

 

[MorbidArachnid]

Don't keep recluses, wolf spiders, grass spiders, velvet spiders or spitting spiders. Very odd care for them that are more advanced and recluses are medically significant.
Wolf and grass spiders need great big areas to roam and are unhappy in small enclosures from my experience. Velvet spiders are very short lived. My male only lived a few months, and they're rare to find. Spitting spiders are cool too own and watch hunt but they're just real small. Huntsmans are fast. Wandering spiders can be medically significant. Trapdoor spiders aren't too exciting to keep unless you like looking at dirt. Sandspiders are generally medically significant and very fast.

My best suggestions are Ogre faced spiders and widows. Clints Reptiles on YouTube has an incredible in depth take on widows. They're easy to keep, non confrontational, affordable, common and beautiful. My girl lets me handle her to show her at schools for kiddos. Just don't try to do that immediately, it took months for her to grow up big and confident enough to let me mess with her. They eat pests like flies and mosquitoes and are very entertaining. Ogre faced spiders get good sized and thrive in an arboreal tank, they're incredible to observe hunting. They're easy to find and keep and are just absolutely amazing. Neither of these are really long lived tho, I've been really lucky with my widow living for almost a year. Hope this helped

Don't keep recluses because they're medically significant but you recommend widows?

 

[atrax6977]

Worst starter genus list (Hot list, can cause serious harm or death):
Sicarius
Hexophthalma
Atrax
Hadronyche
Macrothele
Phoneutria

You get bit by any of the above and you are likely in for a very bad time, especially if you live in an area with no antivenom for the species that bit you.

Loxosceles and Missulena as well, theyll put you in the hospital pretty quick if you dont know what youre doing, especially loxosceles laeta.