Green tarantulas?

[klawfran3]

Careful now. You're gonna get your thread locked >.< Wouldn't know. I like dogs, but I like to go visit other peoples dogs preferably. Tarantulas don't get sick a week after adoption and cost me $5000 in surgery to fix it. That's happened to the last two people I know that got a puppy, and the two people got 3 puppies altogether..and all 3 got sick.

poor things. I love dogs so much. Wht did they get sick with?

 

[cold blood]

Careful now. You're gonna get your thread locked >.< Wouldn't know. I like dogs, but I like to go visit other peoples dogs preferably. Tarantulas don't get sick a week after adoption and cost me $5000 in surgery to fix it. That's happened to the last two people I know that got a puppy, and the two people got 3 puppies altogether..and all 3 got sick.

Sounds like bad genetics....possibly inbred? lol Inbreeding is a terrible thing in dog populations and responsible breeders go to great lengths (going back 5 generations or more) to ensure it doesn't happen. Puppy mills typically will inbreed, and healthy dogs are the exception and not the rule.

I'm in my 4th pup without incident, dogs with good genetics are tough as nails, you should see some of they crap they can survive.

Back to the arachnids

 

[klawfran3]

Sounds like bad genetics....possibly inbred? lol Inbreeding is a terrible thing in dog populations and responsible breeders go to great lengths (going back 5 generations or more) to ensure it doesn't happen. Puppy mills typically will inbreed, and healthy dogs are the exception and not the rule.

I'm in my 4th pup without incident, dogs with good genetics are tough as nails, you should see some of they crap they can survive.

Back to the arachnids

Speaking of inbreeding and genetics, how are tarantulas affected by inbreeding?

 

[viper69]

Speaking of inbreeding and genetics, how are tarantulas affected by inbreeding?

From the bits and pieces I have skimmed through, I believe there are cases where doing that has produced abnormal morphologies.

 

[klawfran3]

From the bits and pieces I have skimmed through, I believe there are cases where doing that has produced abnormal morphologies.

I can't help but think it could happen in nature. What kind of abnormalities though? If its color, couldn't that possibly two recessive genes showing up because their parents both had the genes?

 

[viper69]

I can't help but think it could happen in nature. What kind of abnormalities though? If its color, couldn't that possibly two recessive genes showing up because their parents both had the genes?

Color is not morphology my man

Search google..you'll see pics

 

[klawfran3]

Color is not morphology my man

Sorry. Yeah. I totally wasn't thinking and must have skipped it.

But in captivity haven't we seen reports of abnormal colors, like the lightning boots on Pokies being askew or awkwardly shaped right? Couldn't those possibly signs of domestication in these animals? I remember reading a study where domesticating foxes actually caused them to change colors from natural reds and whites to having unnatural spots and blotches

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https://www.americanscientist.org/issues/issue.aspx?id=813&y=0&no&content=true&page=3&css=print I actually found the article. here you go

 

[viper69]

Sorry. Yeah. I totally wasn't thinking and must have skipped it.

But in captivity haven't we seen reports of abnormal colors, like the lightning boots on Pokies being askew or awkwardly shaped right? Couldn't those possibly signs of domestication in these animals? I remember reading a study where domesticating foxes actually caused them to change colors from natural reds and whites to having unnatural spots and blotches

---------- Post added 02-07-2014 at 09:19 PM ----------

https://www.americanscientist.org/issues/issue.aspx?id=813&y=0&no&content=true&page=3&css=print I actually found the article. here you go

Yeah I could tell you skipped OVER the important part! hahah I don't know of any myself. Also, you are confusing domestication with inbreeding. Interesting on foxes, hmm did you learn why their coats were different? It could simply be diet. You know if you keep flamingos and don't feed them the proper food, they won't be pink.

 

[klawfran3]

Yeah I could tell you skipped OVER the important part! hahah I don't know of any myself. Also, you are confusing domestication with inbreeding. Interesting on foxes, hmm did you learn why their coats were different?

haha... sorry. my mind is extremely jumbled right now and I have a lot of thoughts. let me re cap what I know at the moment. Inbreeding causes deformations in the development of tarantulas like double abdomens and other abnormal parts in their morphology. Right?
Don't worry, I do know the difference between domestication and inbreeding, but don't you sometimes need to inbreed to domesticate? let's say a brother and sister have the best traits, but no others do. wouldn't you have to inbreed then? Well, I guess you could outcross, but you could lose your traits in the next generation, and then what?

oh and about the foxed colors and why, the fourth, fifth, and sixth paragraphs explain it pretty good I think...

 

[viper69]

haha... sorry. my mind is extremely jumbled right now and I have a lot of thoughts. let me re cap what I know at the moment. Inbreeding causes deformations in the development of tarantulas like double abdomens and other abnormal parts in their morphology. Right?
Don't worry, I do know the difference between domestication and inbreeding, but don't you sometimes need to inbreed to domesticate? let's say a brother and sister have the best traits, but no others do. wouldn't you have to inbreed then? Well, I guess you could outcross, but you could lose your traits in the next generation, and then what?

oh and about the foxed colors and why, the fourth, fifth, and sixth paragraphs explain it pretty good I think...

Ah you must have found the pics hahah. Pretty crazy looking eh? I have no idea how animals were domesticated, ie cats/dogs etc. I rarely read about that part of man's development, it's never interested me.

Well if you were selecting for those traits then yes, you would "have" to. I know the snake breeders do this all the time. Offspring back to parents etc. Why I don't hear more about abnormal snakes from my breeder friends is beyond me.

 

[klawfran3]

Ah you must have found the pics hahah. Pretty crazy looking eh? I have no idea how animals were domesticated, ie cats/dogs etc. I rarely read about that part of man's development, it's never interested me.

Well if you were selecting for those traits then yes, you would "have" to. I know the snake breeders do this all the time. Offspring back to parents etc. Why I don't hear more about abnormal snakes from my breeder friends is beyond me.

maybe the breeders are hiding them to not ruin their image? I mean, since their job is to breed healthy colorful snakes, people wouldn't buy from them if they knew that half the babies or whatever came out deformed in some way.

I just remembered though, a lot of youtubers like to upload videos of them cutting the eggs for the first time. and we never see any deformities in those snakes. now I wonder...

 

[viper69]

maybe the breeders are hiding them to not ruin their image? I mean, since their job is to breed healthy colorful snakes, people wouldn't buy from them if they knew that half the babies or whatever came out deformed in some way.

I just remembered though, a lot of youtubers like to upload videos of them cutting the eggs for the first time. and we never see any deformities in those snakes. now I wonder...

My friends don't lie to me hahahahaha

 

[klawfran3]

My friends don't lie to me hahahahaha

well now the question arises, do snakes get significantly affected by inbreeding?

 

[viper69]

I can't help but think it could happen in nature. What kind of abnormalities though? If its color, couldn't that possibly two recessive genes showing up because their parents both had the genes?

There's a ball python morph that has neurological problems. It's called the spider mutation I believe. All spider mutants have this problem. Google it up and you'll see on Youtube. Whether that is due to a critical gene pool size, or inbreeding itself I don't know. I'll email my breeder friend he knows this stuff cold, it's his business.

 

[Poec54]

There's a ball python morph that has neurological problems. It's called the spider mutation I believe. All spider mutants have this problem. Google it up and you'll see on Youtube. Whether that is due to a critical gene pool size, or inbreeding itself I don't know. I'll email my breeder friend he knows this stuff cold, it's his business.

There's a big breeder of ball python morphs near me, and I've seen their 'spider' pythons in person. Yes, they have serious a nervous disorder which usually ends up in them being euthanized, so they rarely use that line for breeding. They've created hundreds of morphs over the decades, which is fine for one species of snakes, but we certainly don't want anything like that with spiders. With ball pythons, w/c's are still being imported and are affordable. Whereas with the vast majority of T species, the countries are closed for export, so once we mess up the gene pool, there's no going back.

 

[Wildenthusiast]

Very good point. Not that anyone would ever do it, But it would be horrible to lose even one species in the trade due to poor breeding. Most of the snakes available are fairly common in the wild, but many of our amazing T's are either highly elusive, threatened or endangered.

 

[Storm76]

You guys forgot Thrixopelma pruriens!

 

[viper69]

You guys forgot Thrixopelma pruriens!

You've seen one that is green like an iguana or day gecko? That's the kind of green we are talking about, full body GREEN It doesn't exist yet.

 

[Storm76]

You've seen one that is green like an iguana or day gecko? That's the kind of green we are talking about, full body GREEN It doesn't exist yet.

There's always paint....

 

[tarantulagal]

My H. Pulchripes were yellow-green with powder blue legs. They were $$$$ though :bruised: