Grain mites: Harmless but annoying...Help

Jennifer0148

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First, yes, I know they’re harmless. I’ve read boina’s thread, as well as the thread about them on Reptile Forums UK. I know they won’t kill my Ts. I know I can even eat them and be fine. I’m not freaking out about any possible danger. However, I don’t want them all over the place, either, and that’s exactly what has happened.

I got in a container of superworms that apparently had grain mites inside and lots of dead superworms. I left it on a table on which I had a jumping spider, a juvenile Avic, a scorpion, and a snake. The next day as I was going to feed my spiders, I noticed the grain mites coming out of the container in hordes and they had had time overnight to wander into my red eared slider’s tank (they’re currently hanging out on the filter since it’s moist) and two adjoining shelves—one of which had my 20 or so slings. Of course, now they’re everywhere and I feel anxious/depressed because I am concerned about them getting upstairs and into the bird’s and cat’s spaces and foods before I can deal with them downstairs. They may not kill but they may cause allergic reactions to some animals and I want to prevent that as well an infestation of my other pets’ foods.

I threw out pretty much everything on that table and wiped off as many as I could from the adjoining spaces. I checked the snake and scorpion and there’s a few on their enclosures but not many. The same goes for the slings. My adults P. metallica’s enclosure has far more and I can already see them in her water bowl. I’ve started putting pieces of apple and tomato in enclosures, drawing the mites to them, and then discarding them. But that won’t be enough, certainly not to deal with those wandering around elsewhere.

My question is how I can reduce their populations down to the norm—since from what I understand they’re going to be around no matter what (if I could kill them off I would). I’m thinking of getting a dehumidifier, wiping down everything with water and/or alcohol, and then cleaning and rehousing my Ts. Since they’re really small enclosures, I can easily wash them with hot water and soap. I have spares that I can use to move some into while I clean the others to make the process faster. The biggest trouble will be the adult P. metallica, but hey she needed an upgrade anyway. I’ve also read about pea flour in a study, so I was thinking of sprinkling that in the area this happened in and hoping it kills the stragglers. I know those left behind will probably go back to the turtle’s filter, so I can continue wiping them off there.

I just don’t want them getting literally everywhere, including our own food, in huge numbers, anyway. I’ve never had this issue in over 20 years of keeping exotics and feeders. Bad luck strikes everyone at least once, though, I guess.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Will the straggler mites that kept walking to the next two shelves die without food and with a dehumidifier on? Will they even walk further than the areas I’ve described? From what I understand they don’t walk much and latch on to other things to move. Thanks.
 
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viper69

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Grain mites in very large numbers can irritate Ts, if you have many in a tank, the Ts will move away from them, scratch themselves as well, this is a fact I have observed in person. SO "harmless" is not correct.

You are basically screwed for a while given your word of "hordes"

I put all my animals containers in pans of water and wait it out. They will leave the containers generally and walk down right into pans. I add a drop or two of soap at times.

They walk quite a bit- well over a foot in distance in less than 24 hr. This I have measured.

You have keep dry containers for your pets. Given hordes, I'd be rehousing everything.

Adding in fruit or whatever only keeps them coming in!

They also seem attracted to T poop given my observations.
 

Jennifer0148

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Grain mites in very large numbers can irritate Ts, if you have many in a tank, the Ts will move away from them, scratch themselves as well, this is a fact I have observed in person. SO "harmless" is not correct.

You are basically screwed for a while given your word of "hordes"

I put all my animals containers in pans of water and wait it out. They will leave the containers generally and walk down right into pans. I add a drop or two of soap at times.

They walk quite a bit- well over a foot in distance in less than 24 hr. This I have measured.

You have keep dry containers for your pets. Given hordes, I'd be rehousing everything.

Adding in fruit or whatever only keeps them coming in!

They also seem attracted to T poop given my observations.
Thanks for the reply. I meant harmless in the sense that they won’t feed on the T, for example. I’m aware they’re annoying in large numbers which is why I want to rehouse my Ts.

I think I made it sound worse than it is, though. While they were coming out in hordes, I threw away the container and almost everything around it. I can still see them around, of course, but not in as huge numbers. I’m drawing them out with fruit—as many as possible since they’re on furniture—before rehousing my Ts. It’s working. The Avic enclosure had quite a few at the top inside corners (I couldn’t easily get to) and along the edges a day or two ago. Today, they were all but gone from there and the piece of fruit was covered in them. I threw that out and the Avic seems better. I could tell it was moving around more and it was getting annoyed, which is why I tried the fruit. Thankfully, it seems to have worked. Now I just want to do that all over the areas they’re hanging out in to get as many as possible to come out of hiding. My goal is simply to get as many as I can at once, so that the dehumidifier and others things I have in mind can take care of all or most of the rest of them, as there will be no food source for them on furniture. I know I probably won’t get all of them. I just don’t want them in such large numbers that they’ll be annoying.

Thankfully all but one of my Ts live in really small enclosures, too, so washing and changing each one should take no more than 5-10 minutes. I’m so looking forward to rehousing the P. muticus, P. murinus, and S. calceatum. :rolleyes: The P. metallica is supposed to be the hardest rehouse due to her size but she’s not a troublemaker, so it should be ok.

Once I do that, and I throw away as much as I can of the stuff they’re probably crawling around in right now, I’m going to vacuum the area, wipe everything down with boiling water and alcohol, and put bay leaves and pea flour in certain areas. Then I’ll probably dehumidify the area, too, and make sure I keep everything pristine.

I refuse to use things like Provent-a-Mite, as I fear it would harm my Ts, given that mites are arachnids and that kills arachnids. I’ve also seen food grade diatomaceous earth suggested, but I’m also not sure it wouldn’t harm my Ts. Any clues as to that? I wouldn’t use the diatomaceous earth around the Ts but I want to be extra careful.

This is exhausting. I can’t believe it happened over buying superworms. 20+ years without such a catastrophe! Why now?!
 

viper69

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Thanks for the reply. I meant harmless in the sense that they won’t feed on the T, for example. I’m aware they’re annoying in large numbers which is why I want to rehouse my Ts.

I think I made it sound worse than it is, though. While they were coming out in hordes, I threw away the container and almost everything around it. I can still see them around, of course, but not in as huge numbers. I’m drawing them out with fruit—as many as possible since they’re on furniture—before rehousing my Ts. It’s working. The Avic enclosure had quite a few at the top inside corners (I couldn’t easily get to) and along the edges a day or two ago. Today, they were all but gone from there and the piece of fruit was covered in them. I threw that out and the Avic seems better. I could tell it was moving around more and it was getting annoyed, which is why I tried the fruit. Thankfully, it seems to have worked. Now I just want to do that all over the areas they’re hanging out in to get as many as possible to come out of hiding. My goal is simply to get as many as I can at once, so that the dehumidifier and others things I have in mind can take care of all or most of the rest of them, as there will be no food source for them on furniture. I know I probably won’t get all of them. I just don’t want them in such large numbers that they’ll be annoying.

Thankfully all but one of my Ts live in really small enclosures, too, so washing and changing each one should take no more than 5-10 minutes. I’m so looking forward to rehousing the P. muticus, P. murinus, and S. calceatum. :rolleyes: The P. metallica is supposed to be the hardest rehouse due to her size but she’s not a troublemaker, so it should be ok.

Once I do that, and I throw away as much as I can of the stuff they’re probably crawling around in right now, I’m going to vacuum the area, wipe everything down with boiling water and alcohol, and put bay leaves and pea flour in certain areas. Then I’ll probably dehumidify the area, too, and make sure I keep everything pristine.

I refuse to use things like Provent-a-Mite, as I fear it would harm my Ts, given that mites are arachnids and that kills arachnids. I’ve also seen food grade diatomaceous earth suggested, but I’m also not sure it wouldn’t harm my Ts. Any clues as to that? I wouldn’t use the diatomaceous earth around the Ts but I want to be extra careful.

This is exhausting. I can’t believe it happened over buying superworms. 20+ years without such a catastrophe! Why now?!
Can only go by what you wrote hah

In a post that long, would be helpful to list out your questions. This isn’t a vocal dialogue unfortunately.

DE is often used against ants. Do not let Ts get in touch with it, IMO.

It kills ants by cutting open their exoskeleton.

Might do that to a T
 

Jennifer0148

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Can only go by what you wrote hah

In a post that long, would be helpful to list out your questions. This isn’t a vocal dialogue unfortunately.

DE is often used against ants. Do not let Ts get in touch with it, IMO.

It kills ants by cutting open their exoskeleton.

Might do that to a T
Pea flour and bay leaves it is. I apologize for the long rants but that is how anxious I feel at the moment. I literally have OCD and always keep everything clean, so this is a nightmare for me. :p

I guess my only other questions would be:

1. Whether springtails simply outcompete mites or also eat the mites. I have seen multiple people claim the latter. I have never had springtails; and

2. If I do get springtails, are they safe for any size T or are they not recommended when you have tiny slings?

Thanks.
 

viper69

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Don't care how much write or why, and certainly no need to apologize. Buried questions don't help you, case closed

1. Don't believe they eat live mites at all, could be wrong. A frogger will know.
2.Yes safe
 

Jennifer0148

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Don't care how much write or why, and certainly no need to apologize. Buried questions don't help you, case closed

1. Don't believe they eat live mites at all, could be wrong. A frogger will know.
2.Yes safe
Thank you!
 

Jennifer0148

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They outcompete them for food.

Yes, I've used them with tiny (0.5cm) slings without issue
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Would anyone happen to have suggestions about dealing with the mites that migrated to my slider turtle’s tank?

Would a dehumidifier take care of those? Or will the water keep them alive? What would they feed on there? I didn’t want to have to take apart the whole tank, but I will if I have to. Thanks.
 
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