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Motivated by the cobra threads here, I submitted to a friends offer of the behind the scenes tour of our local snake farm. Please keep in mind, said friend is not entirely sane. I did not expect to survive. The reptiles pictured are mostly his personal pets. Please notice I have taken nearly all these shots without the flash to retain their natural, unenhanced color.
Almost all the snakes are from the local area. Nobody is quite sure why, but the Isan spitter turned up in my local village, a couple of hundred miles from home.

We started the tour with 'The Old Man', simply because it was still cool and once this guy gets warmed up he is more than happy to try a sample of human.


About 10 yrs old. Weighing in at over 50 kg, length unknown, he will try to eat anything that moves. Of late chickens and small dogs go down the hatch like clockwork.

For you Crotalus buffs, a dog snake.


I renamed this guy @$$hole. The second I took my eyes off him he munched me.


Newly shed and showing off, a red tailed racer.

She was very curious about cameras.


Ghat Mak (Big bite) was posing so I had to shoot him. As mom always told me to avoid smiling dinosaurs, I chose not to go in. He is near 5 foot long excluding the tail and around 40 kg. To give you a hint, that is 1 inch mesh wire.


This is the legendary leaping or jumping snake. These ratters are bitehappy supreme and can actually leap entirely off the ground when striking. I witnessed one 4 footer strike straight up out of a sack well over 3 feet.


A Red Headed racer. I love how they coil for a strike.


In the mini jungle, the kids come out to pose. Two infant king's and a monocellate.


Very old, as you can tell by the lack of most markings, as well as rather grumpy, this black and white spitter can stay behind glass, thank you.


And then my friend's pride and joys. Dad (left) and Mom. Truly spectacular condition king cobras. Dad is 8 to 10 yrs, mom around 6.


I am told the easy way to tell a king is kiss it... no! The belly color doesn't extend above the lower jaw.


Mom, wipe your nose!


And of course, a couple of Mom and Dad's kids wanted to get in on the act.



Brother



and Sister


Take note of the extensive safety devices and protective clothing. I was perched on top of a table as sis had taken the opportunity to get more friendly.


And finally, something really stupid. This is one pissed off belligerent max Isan spitter. The safety precautions consisted entirely of, "try to stand behind her". Please forgive the poor photography. I was a tad busy.

 
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Wow!! Impressive collection!
Gotta love that safety equipment! {D
 

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Thank you for sharing those pics! It's always great to see snake pics, especially of species we do not often see available in the US, like the Isan Spitters and the Ptyas korros(the "leaping" Rat snake). The latter reminds me a lot of a Western Coachwhip snake(Masticophis flagellum testaceus). I'm quite fond of the various Asian Elaphe species myself, such as the Elaphe radiata there, and I breed two varieties of E. taeniura, the "Taiwan Beauty" and the "Blue Beauty", which I believe is found in Thailand.

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For you Crotalus buffs, a dog snake.
Huh? Crotalus is a genus of rattlesnakes....the snake in the picture is a Green Tree Python (Morelia viridis). Never heard them called "dog snake" before.
 

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Response to several replies.
Are you certain about the ID of the 'dog snake'? I was much too busy to research that guy. It was ID'ed as Crotalus Caninus and called a dog snake but that certainly sounds weird. I do not expect accurate ID a lot of the time from them. Most of their animals are labeled by casual glance from a supposed government authority. They labeled several monocellates as kings, just to impress the tourists I suspect.

The ratters have scared the crap out of me more than any other snake around here. They are so fast, utterly belligerent, and unhesistant to take multiple bites out of you.
The parasite infested ones are isolated new arrivals. They are awaiting a vet to determine if they are healthy enough to keep, should be released, or will end up in someones soup.

I would add, I am by no means a reptile expert. I've had years of casual experience with them but very little proper training.


Something else I should mention. Snakes are considered a delicacy and potential source of virility throughout all of S.E. Asia. Subsequently, Thailand declared all snakes protected and passed a sweeping law that nobody but government or government sanctioned entities can possess any snake.
However, when you are talking rural farmers who earn about $3 a day and fuel prices the same as in America along with similar cost of living expenses, conservation doesn't get very high up the list. In addition, laws are mostly enforced by whim and officers commonly augment their income with bribes.
The healthy well cared for reptiles in those pics find their salvation in either being my friends personal pets or in the tourist attraction value.
 
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pitbulllady said:
Thank you for sharing those pics! It's always great to see snake pics, especially of species we do not often see available in the US, like the Isan Spitters and the Ptyas korros(the "leaping" Rat snake). The latter reminds me a lot of a Western Coachwhip snake(Masticophis flagellum testaceus). I'm quite fond of the various Asian Elaphe species myself, such as the Elaphe radiata there, and I breed two varieties of E. taeniura, the "Taiwan Beauty" and the "Blue Beauty", which I believe is found in Thailand.

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Some adolescents, for you!
 

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If you have more pics feel free to post away!! They're great!
 

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The Snark said:
Response to several replies.
Are you certain about the ID of the 'dog snake'? I was much too busy to research that guy. It was ID'ed as Crotalus Caninus and called a dog snake but that certainly sounds weird. I do not expect accurate ID a lot of the time from them. Most of their animals are labeled by casual glance from a supposed government authority. They labeled several monocellates as kings, just to impress the tourists I suspect.

The ratters have scared the crap out of me more than any other snake around here. They are so fast, utterly belligerent, and unhesistant to take multiple bites out of you.
The parasite infested ones are isolated new arrivals. They are awaiting a vet to determine if they are healthy enough to keep, should be released, or will end up in someones soup.

I would add, I am by no means a reptile expert. I've had years of casual experience with them but very little proper training.


Something else I should mention. Snakes are considered a delicacy and potential source of virility throughout all of S.E. Asia. Subsequently, Thailand declared all snakes protected and passed a sweeping law that nobody but government or government sanctioned entities can possess any snake.
However, when you are talking rural farmers who earn about $3 a day and fuel prices the same as in America along with similar cost of living expenses, conservation doesn't get very high up the list. In addition, laws are mostly enforced by whim and officers commonly augment their income with bribes.
The healthy well cared for reptiles in those pics find their salvation in either being my friends personal pets or in the tourist attraction value.

I think that the snake in question is actually an Emerald Tree Boa, CORALLUS caninus, so-called because of its long front teeth, and tapered snout, both features of which do remind some people of a dog's canine teeth and muzzle. I actually had a six-foot female with the blue markings like that.

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This look into my future is a kind of scary one ;-) That's exactly where I'll be when I'm brave and experiened enough {D
 

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No, the so-called "dog snake" above is definitely a Green Tree Python. 100% no doubt about it. Emerald Tree Boas are never blue....just a couple different shades of green (and red as neonates). The markings and head shape/composition are totally different between the 2 species. ;)
 

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bugs4life said:
This look into my future is a kind of scary one ;-) That's exactly where I'll be when I'm brave and experiened enough {D
Me too:D Some day I would like to own alot more snakes including some "hot" ones. Beautiful pics:drool: thanks for sharing them with us.
 

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DavidBeard said:
No, the so-called "dog snake" above is definitely a Green Tree Python. 100% no doubt about it. Emerald Tree Boas are never blue....just a couple different shades of green (and red as neonates). The markings and head shape/composition are totally different between the 2 species. ;)
If you guys can give me identifying traits and markings I can go back and give the snake a careful examination. I suspect the color is deceiving and it is ready to shed.

Since you folks are into identifying, how about some help here.
This specimen is incredible. That opalescent color is real. It is blunt headed and tailed, a constrictor. It is about 4 feet long and is believed to be mature.

It's shed came off in one mass.
 

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bugs4life said:
This look into my future is a kind of scary one ;-) That's exactly where I'll be when I'm brave and experiened enough {D
To be brutally honest, I'm not sure it is brave or mind bogglingly stupid. To date I have been bitten by a Latrodectus, a Loxosceles, several pythons, a Crotalidae (sistrurus), 3 horses, a full infection cat bite that hospitalized me for two weeks, a dozen or so dogs, one rabid, a komodo (like, 50 stitches from a casual nip), a rabies suspect rat, two unknowns that caused significant symptoms, and a penetrating human bite. My tendency to like getting in with the critters and the (completely false) appearance that I know what I am doing gets me in heaps of trouble.

Remember! Animalphilia is a psychosis. Consider turning yourself in to the proper medical authorities before you succumb completely. :wall:
 

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Know your limitations

I was invited into saying hello (going in the cage) to Grandmom.
She is around 60 to 75 kg and about 6 meters long. She is shedding and has been in a really foul mood of late. I drew the line between some dumb and plumb dumb. I would add, the larger snakes are often placed in abrasive enclosures like this dirt floor to aid them in shedding. Keeping a snake in a 'false', soft and protected environment, is a common cause of partial shedding and can lead to skin problems and infections, especially in the tropics.
 
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A simple google search & comparison of Corallus caninus and Morelia viridis pictures will reveal the difference between the 2. Once you study a few pics, its very easy to tell them apart.

Since you folks are into identifying, how about some help here.
This specimen is incredible. That opalescent color is real. It is blunt headed and tailed, a constrictor. It is about 4 feet long and is believed to be mature.
That is a Sunbeam Snake (Loxocemus bicolor)...the unmistakable headshape and irridescence are a dead giveaway.
 

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pitbulllady said:
I think that the snake in question is actually an Emerald Tree Boa, CORALLUS caninus, so-called because of its long front teeth, and tapered snout, both features of which do remind some people of a dog's canine teeth and muzzle. I actually had a six-foot female with the blue markings like that.

pitbulllady
I am now told, the scale structure of the upper lip of Corallus Caninus is defined and seperated from the rest of the head. The nose is rounded and the scale band extends across the nose.

With Morelia Viridus the nose is flattened in a triangular shape, the upper jaw scales/ridge is much less defined and has no limiting ridge at it's upper extent.


Now to contradict things, Morelia rarely has any dark scales. Corallus is commonly blotched with dark blue or near black scales.

I really need a better method of identifying this guy.


DavidBeard. Thanks! Can you give me a positive identifier for the Sunbeam? I'd like to go over and label his cage.
 
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Pythons pythons pythons!

The entirety of safety instructions when I entered this enclosure was 'Watch your head'. The enclosure is about 30 feet long, 10 wide, and 6 high. Various tree branches and beams are everywhere. I stood in one place to take all these shots. Yes, these are all at least 1 year old.






Altogether, there are 26 in there. And I still have all my fingers.
 

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Yea those picture are awesome. If there was one snake I wish i could own (with experience of course) it would be a King Cobra, but #1 I dont think I would honestly ever be experienced enough to feel comfortable around one. and #2 they eat snakes as their diet if im not mistaken, and having a supply of snakes to feed another snake isnt something to come upon easily, unless in captivity they can be switched to mammals easily, but that still would leave the experience aspect. They are beautiful without a doubt though.
 

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Midnightrdr456 said:
Yea those picture are awesome. If there was one snake I wish i could own (with experience of course) it would be a King Cobra, but #1 I dont think I would honestly ever be experienced enough to feel comfortable around one. and #2 they eat snakes as their diet if im not mistaken, and having a supply of snakes to feed another snake isnt something to come upon easily, unless in captivity they can be switched to mammals easily, but that still would leave the experience aspect. They are beautiful without a doubt though.
I will not speak in general but only from personal experience.
Cobras are not snake eaters by preference. Cobras around here are rat and frog hunters though they will eat any animal that seems the right size and gets in their way. Small dogs and cats and birds are definitely on their diet as well. As with many predators however it is wise to seperate them by size.
Being a snake lover, the snake you probably won't want is the krait. Their favorite food is fellow snakes and their preferred hunting ground is holes in the ground as in snake 'nests'. A large krait can invade another snakes retreat, kill the parent(s) and eat all the young in one sitting. The cobra is particularly vulnerable to the krait in that is cannot strike effectively in confined areas. A cobra bites in a downward and forward strike, not laterally. The krait not only strikes laterally, it is able to bite without striking which lends itself admirably to killing in very restricted spaces. (This also poses an extra hazard for humans in krait country as in them getting into sleeping bags or even in shoes).

Infant yellow banded krait.


I don't suffer from the delusion that a cobra would make a good pet. They are one of the more tempremental snakes and do not change even after years in captivity. You can never trust them. I've seen cobras that have been docile and laconic for months suddenly take umbrage to a humans presence and strike at cage or terrarium walls repeatedly until they damage themselves.
At the local snake farm an Isan spitter that has been there for years recently struck at the safety glass so hard in an attempt to zap a passing human that it cracked the glass.

PS You might also keep in mind a fully mature king cobra can grow to 5 meters long. You would need one very large terrarium.
 
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