Good Deal or What?

[BigSam]

I have recently breed my dog (freebee) to his mother (which BTW will be some bad dawgz). The owner of his mother thinks she's gonna have puppies. I said I want one my parents said NO!!! So then I said I'll get rid of all my collection and the snakes for one of those puppies. Reminder my collection consits of B. Ruhnaui, B. Klaasi, 3 B. Smithis and a hole lot more(too much to say)

So is this a good deal? I'm willing to make it.

Sam,

 

[pategirl]

You say you bred your dog to his mother? Why would you do that? Anway, you're the only one who can decide whether or not the dog is worth more to you than snakes and T's.

 

[Weapon-X]

re

personaly i would not get rid of all my t's , and reptiles for a dog(considering most of them will outlive a dog), but there could be some problems with that dog since it was inbred man, inbreeding with mammals is bad.

 

[BigSam]

well I figured that If it took me less then a year to build this collection it wouldn't take me that long to rebuild it. Plus T'z are only getting cheaper.
I dunno I'm still up in the air about it, she might not even have puppies.

Sam,

 

[pategirl]

Yeah, but why did you breed the dog to his mother? You could've offered him for stud to an unrelated female and have a better chance at healthy pups.

 

[BigSam]

We breed him back to the mother so we could keep a very rare bloodline of pitbull called "henziel" not sure on the spelling on that. He's 100% pure henziel and so is his mother, so there trying to keep that bloodline as close/pure as possible. Freebee is a $1,000 dog his grandfather was sold for like $33,000 back in flordia some where. Anyways that bloodline is cutting short and there trying to keep it.

Hope that cleared any confusion.

Sam,

 

[Silver.x]

Mmm mhmm, Who wouldn't want an inbred dog? You realize its value was just shot to hell with your little stunt don't you? Breeders won't want them, neither will many people if you tell them the parents were their older brother and mother. There is no way that they can be worth anywhere close to what you stated. Terrible idea.

Aidan

 

[BigSam]

Ok,
Freebee is an inbreed dog, people well knowing he's an inbreed, to this day people still try to buy him for his blood. His litter was sold out before even being put on sale. But never mind that forget the hole thing.

Sam,

 

[Dessicata]

there are better ways you could have gone about it. Maybe the bloodline is dying out for a reason??

 

[skinheaddave]

I think people are failing to realize how much inbreeding was involved in the original establishment of pretty much every purebred out there. This is one of the reasons that many breeds have genetic predispositions for various maladies, but it is also the only reason that the traits that define the breed came to be and are maintained. With genetics being the new religion, however, it would seem that inbreeding is the new cry of "heresy." Not necessarily so. In this case, breeding him back to his mother is not a big deal.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[Dessicata]

It's not a good thing though. My mum breeds dogs, and is quite highly respected over here with her breeds, so i have an idea of what i'm talking about (don't mean that to come across as patronising as it isnt the way i intend it). He is going to have a hard time selling those puppies to proper homes if on the pedigree it is his mother it's bred back to (thats if you have pedigree dogs in the US, i dont know).

 

[Immortal_sin]

I believe, and I may be wrong, but line-breeding is a big thing with some breeds of dog. There seem to be 2 schools of thought on it though...
As for whether it's a good deal or not, I wouldn't presume to tell you that...only you can compare the values with each other....

 

[skinheaddave]

Dessicata,

What you have is dogma (sort of a pun, now that I think of it). People take a principle and become entrenched. Then the other people take an alternate principle and become entrenched. Needless to say you then have a dogma war. I'm not saying that your mother is wrong so much as I'm saying she is not relying on first principles -- or at least you aren't in your interpretation of her ideology.

Wolves experience a fair degree of inbreeding and they seem to have done fine until we started shooting them. I don't know what breed your mom deals with, but if you could chart their entire heredity you would find a lot of inbreeding throughout their history. If you look throughout nature you will find all sorts of populations that actually thrive with inbreeding because they have advantageous recessives or multifactorial genetic factors that are maintained through inbreeding.

If you want to read an interesting article that doesn't get too heavy into the science side of things, I'd recommend "Go Ahead, Kiss Your Cousin" by Richard Conniff in the August 2003 issue of Discovery.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[Dessicata]

i am aware there is inbreeding, but would it not be better to bring in outside blood?? I'll try and track down that article, thanks.

 

[skinheaddave]

You need a certain degree of outbreeding to be sure, but consider that there are risks to bringing in new blood as well. You then have the possibility of introducing other alleles including potentially deleterious alleles and form-altering alleles that dilute the breed standard. Point being, it is not so cut and dry that mating a mother and son is automatically a no-no.

Cheers,
Dave

 

[BigSam]

Originally posted by skinheaddave
I think people are failing to realize how much inbreeding was involved in the original establishment of pretty much every purebred out there. This is one of the reasons that many breeds have genetic predispositions for various maladies, but it is also the only reason that the traits that define the breed came to be and are maintained. With genetics being the new religion, however, it would seem that inbreeding is the new cry of "heresy." Not necessarily so. In this case, breeding him back to his mother is not a big deal.

Cheers,
Dave

Thank you skinheaddave, You seem to know what I'm talking about.

Sam,

 

[Beardo]

Theres no way in hell I'd ever trade my herps for a mangy mutt of an inbred dog.

 

[BigSam]

Originally posted by DavidBeard
Theres no way in hell I'd ever trade my herps for a mangy mutt of an inbred dog.

OH Man,

That hurt, it was uncalled for and childish. No need for name calling You don't even know what your talking about and your already talking stuff. It's ok though, I see how it is.

Sam,

 

[Silver.x]

That's his opinion that he wouldn't want an inbred dog in turn for the loss of his collection. If you are upset he called your dogs mangy mutts then don't, a mutt is one of unwanted mixed blood, or one that is inadequate. Your dogs will be inadequate compared to others of the same species who have not been inbred, therefore them being mutts is true. Mangy, maybe not now, but if the inbreeding continues then they will be for sure.

Frankly, I wouldn't buy one either. If those dogs were wild then they would all be dead, survival of the fittest is due to genetic differentiation, that's why many animals in the wild will consciously not choose partners of the same family unless necessary.

Not too many people are going to want your inbred collection of semi-retarded animals, so good luck trying to get $1000 or how ever much you are charging once the buyer finds out they are the result of inbreeding. It may be common in the past but now that we know the risks and downfalls of it why continue. For the puppies sake, never do this again.

Aidan

 

[BigSam]

never do what agian ?

Sam,