hä,hä you exactly captured my mind. reason for my question was that the carapace-line was looking to flat on the other pic. but in the second link it's a little bit better to see that it's clearly elevated - and that the ventral patella (whats plural ? patelli ? damn i will say knees LOL) are light like it's typical in the genus. dark (black) ventral knees are typical for example in the genus lycosa and i think in hogna the same. this is a good possibility to distinguish them from geolycosa (together with carapace-line, eyes,...).yep. it's a geo. pic taken at a bad angle, spider not as compact as it appears in the photo. it has a big ole' dome of a head (carapace). i guess i did have another pic on aboards... http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=188777 the spider is so dark it's still a bad pic lol