Fresh molt deaths

[Marcostaco]

I'm absolutely devastated by two recent deaths in my collection.

0.1 Pelinobius muticus
Raised from a 3/4" sling to a 6.5" adult female. Molted, fed it after 2 weeks, found it dead 2 weeks later.

0.1 Dolichothele rufoniger
Molted out fine but didn't even get the chance to harden out. Less than 48 hours after the molt, found it dead.


Can't see any reason for these deaths. I'm so mad and sad at the same time

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I'm absolutely devastated by two recent deaths in my collection.

0.1 Pelinobius muticus
Raised from a 3/4" sling to a 6.5" adult female. Molted, fed it after 2 weeks, found it dead 2 weeks later.

0.1 Dolichothele rufoniger
Molted out fine but didn't even get the chance to harden out. Less than 48 hours after the molt, found it dead.


Can't see any reason for these deaths. I'm so mad and sad at the same time

My a genic died same way your Dolichothele rufoniger did it always had water and stuff so I’m not sure why . Wet molt possibly?
My Pelinobius muticus was unable to eat after a molt only lasted a month or two . Rip I got a thread on that one.

 

[Marcostaco]

My a genic died same way your Dolichothele rufoniger did it always had water and stuff so I’m not sure why . Wet molt possibly?
My Pelinobius muticus was unable to eat after a molt only lasted a month or two . Rip I got a thread on that one.

I don't think so, it didn't harden all the way but I was starting to darken up. I really don't know why.

My P. muticus ate, I gave it water, then just found it dead the next time I tried to feed it. Sad times

 

[NMTs]

I don't think so, it didn't harden all the way but I was starting to darken up. I really don't know why.

My P. muticus ate, I gave it water, then just found it dead the next time I tried to feed it. Sad times

Sucks, sorry. I've got a little MM rufoniger, they're awesome spiders. My muticus isn't as big as yours was, but getting there. Would be devastated to lose her. These T's are generally very hardy and adaptable, so it's really confusing and frustrating when something like this happens.

 

[Marcostaco]

Sucks, sorry. I've got a little MM rufoniger, they're awesome spiders. My muticus isn't as big as yours was, but getting there. Would be devastated to lose her. These T's are generally very hardy and adaptable, so it's really confusing and frustrating when something like this happens.

What's more interesting is I have this D. rufoniger's sac mate. The one that died is purple and the other one is red but they are sac mates.

I was supposed to document them after it hardened up with this molt. I was going to work with Tarantula Canada to figure out this peculiar case but alas, it's not to be.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I don't think so, it didn't harden all the way but I was starting to darken up. I really don't know why.

My P. muticus ate, I gave it water, then just found it dead the next time I tried to feed it. Sad times

Yeah real head scratcher , my last fireleg that died I couldn’t find any reason either maybe they got health problems we cannot spot ? no not the one that I made a post on , a different one.
I’ve had some Ts live very long others don’t , and it makes zero sense . They’re healthy one day then gone .. it’s so sad especially since I raise them From tiny slings . Weird considering these species are considered very hardy. Miss those Ts ..

What's more interesting is I have this D. rufoniger's sac mate. The one that died is purple and the other one is red but they are sac mates.

I was supposed to document them after it hardened up with this molt. I was going to work with Tarantula Canada to figure out this peculiar case but alas, it's not to be.

yeah I got one t with off coloration . It’s in my new photo thread.

 

[Marcostaco]

Yeah real head scratcher , my last fireleg that died I couldn’t find any reason either maybe they got health problems we cannot spot ? no not the one that I made a post on , a different one.
I’ve had some Ts live very long others don’t , and it makes zero sense . They’re healthy one day then gone .. it’s so sad especially since I raise them From tiny slings . Weird considering these species are considered very hardy. Miss those Ts ..

yeah I got one t with off coloration . It’s in my new photo thread.

I'm going with internal damage with the molts. It's all I can think of

 

[NMTs]

What's more interesting is I have this D. rufoniger's sac mate. The one that died is purple and the other one is red but they are sac mates.

I was supposed to document them after it hardened up with this molt. I was going to work with Tarantula Canada to figure out this peculiar case but alas, it's not to be.

That's too bad, it would have been cool to see the differences. Everything I've read about them seems to indicate that there's a lot of confusion about the D. rufoniger in the hobby, so any research would be beneficial. Hopefully it can be a project for the future, though.

 

[viper69]

It happens- never good

 

[TechnoGeek]

Never had a T die while molting or recently after molting knock on wood. I increase substrate moisture slightly when the T starts making a molt mat if I catch it doing it, and that's about it.

Then again almost all of my Ts are hardy new worlds, except the theraphosas which are much more moisture dependant. Outside of that it's Grammostola or brachypelma genus, plus things like GBB, A genic, L parahybana, and P atrichomatus which are just as hardy if not moreso. I don't think any of these is known for being fragile.

 

[Wolfram1]

how warm have you kept them over the years?

possibly a case of live fast, die young?

 

[Marcostaco]

how warm have you kept them over the years?

possibly a case of live fast, die young?

Fairly warm. I don't think so, both haven't even have sclerotisized spermathecae with their most recent molts. So they didn't even reach maturity

 

[Wolfram1]

Fairly warm. I don't think so, both haven't even have sclerotisized spermathecae with their most recent molts. So they didn't even reach maturity

alright, that doesnt sound like it then

i don't know if i mentioned it but my 0.2 AF Lasiodora parahybana are already F3 of my friends first spider, 2 of which died at just 7 years, shortly after having the sack, molting and then passed away, no apparent causes

my friend thinks he pushed them too hard

 

[Marcostaco]

alright, that doesnt sound like it then

i don't know if i mentioned it but my 0.2 AF Lasiodora parahybana are already F3 of my friends first spider, 2 of which died at just 7 years, shortly after having the sack, molting and then passed away, no apparent causes

my friend thinks he pushed them too hard

Now, pushing them for sacs could definitely be a cause though

 

[Wolfram1]

Now, pushing them for sacs could definitely be a cause though

yea, takes a lot of energy, considering yours weren't mature it seems unlikely

 

[MariaLewisia]

Absolutely heartbreaking to hear of your losses. I hope you don't blame yourself for either of them passing.

 

[SpookySpooder]

Sorry to hear. I've been there.

It's very hard to lean either way... on one hand, as a conscientious keeper and a lover of these animals, you want to dissect and analyze every potential possibility to prevent it occurring again in the future. On the other hand, some things just can't be explained with our current understanding and knowledge of these animals. Maybe a specialist could perform and autopsy and find a conclusive result, but most everyday hobbyists aren't going to be able to.

I hope you don't lose too much sleep/sanity over this.

 

[Liquifin]

It's just a bad case at times. We just learn to accept it at time.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

how warm have you kept them over the years?

possibly a case of live fast, die young?

I also lost a versi to what op is describing I don’t think it involves temperature, I keep mine 70-77 . But yes .. and I had a h mac I bought die soon afterwards like It was an old one . Yes it had plenty of water and some wet sub. Slow grower..

 

[Westicles]

Never had a T die while molting or recently after molting knock on wood. I increase substrate moisture slightly when the T starts making a molt mat if I catch it doing it, and that's about it.

Then again almost all of my Ts are hardy new worlds, except the theraphosas which are much more moisture dependant. Outside of that it's Grammostola or brachypelma genus, plus things like GBB, A genic, L parahybana, and P atrichomatus which are just as hardy if not moreso. I don't think any of these is known for being fragile.

Knock on wood too. I haven't either but I know it's always possible