Few more geckos

[JoeRossi]

Mine and eggs!

"Those are yours? Have you posted those pictures somewhere else before because I have seen them on another site. Anyway, I bet those babies will be awesome! Can you get some pictures of the eggs?"


Yes they are mine. Eggs are eggs, but what is in the eggs is an entire differnent story....but here you go on one of my previos 4 sale threads

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=143575

 

[Talkenlate04]

You do know that sending the eggs in the mail would kill them right? Every breeder I have touched base with and every piece of literature I have read says when the eggs are removed for incubation to take extra care and caution to not rotate the eggs. Most breeders mark the top of the egg usually with the date or a line before picking them up so they will know what side is up and don't make the mistake of placing them in the incubator upside down.

 

[JoeRossi]

Interesting...

Now, I want you to take a look at my reviews. Getting into this discussion could take quite some time. I have been doing this for a while and thus far have not had a single egg not make it and or hatch out. I know you are new to this, but I am not. You are now talking to a breeder who disagrees with what you are saying as long as the eggs are shipped right and I have proven this. I will not argue with you on breeding certain T's please do your research on my breeding if your going to jump into this discussion. There are several others who have stated what you did and thus far I have proven them all wrong.

I don't meen to take offens ; however, If you are really interested you can read a very lengthy discussion, but please do not come at me with "You do know that sending the eggs in the mail would kill them right" prior to doing your research. I have been doing this a lot longer then you have (breeding cresteds).

P.S. let me know if your interested in hatching your own egg

http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19536

Thanks,
Joe

 

[Talkenlate04]

I don't have a crystal ball into your knowledge base.

Having said that I don't see the reason for all your posturing and attitude. I am not trying to have a pissing contest with you and I never said anything about knowing more then you or being more experienced. Why would I when I just got my first ones two weeks ago?

All I did was point out everything I have read so far and everything that everyone else has told me. And I was VERY clear about where I grabbed that information. I never once claimed it to be something I had experience with.

SO about the only normal answer that could have been given would be along the lines of,

"hey that a popular belief but I have done it before with great success"

So if you insist on playing whip it out and measure, go somewhere else.

 

[eelnoob]

Never kept cresties but really like the first female and second male:clap: All the ones I see for sell around here has missing tails

 

[Talkenlate04]

Never kept cresties but really like the first female and second male:clap: All the ones I see for sell around here has missing tails

I think they look really silly without tails! I wonder if their balance is affected at all? Everything I have read so far says they get along just fine but still it has to be weird to lose something like that.

And I ponder why all the wild ones are missing their tails. Interesting stuff for sure!

 

[Talkenlate04]

http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19536

Glad I read that thread you linked. Now I know your condescending tone is not just isolated to just me.
Plus almost everyone but a few agreed the risk is not worth the reward in their opinion.

But I will say that it is awesome that you have such a good track record with shipping eggs. Thinking outside the box is always a good thing in my opinion.
Plus the innovation in creating the packing method. I won't ever do it, but I am glad you are good at doing it, for the animals sake.

 

[JoeRossi]

Glad you read it

"SO about the only normal answer that could have been given would be along the lines of, hey that a popular belief but I have done it before with great success"
"Glad I read that thread you linked. Now I know your condescending tone is not just isolated to just me. Plus almost everyone but a few agreed the risk is not worth the reward in their opinion."

So about the normal question that should have been stated instead of. "You do know that sending the eggs in the mail would kill them right," changed to I have heard that sending the eggs in the mail would kill them right," comes accross much better.

I am glad you read it as well and always appreciate great discussion. However, like many who are in the thread sometimes they and yourself come accross arrogant by stating things like it can't be done or, "You do know that sending the eggs in the mail would kill them right." Ryan, we have dealt with each other in the past and bolth know we care about our creatures and that is what it is about. I honestly enjoy giving people the experience of hatching their own babies and do have a great track record. I just don't agree with the know it all some times In addition you state, "Plus almost everyone but a few agreed the risk is not worth the reward in their opinion." Once again this is not a correct statement. Although I admit we got off topic, I just went through the discussion and about 9 agreed and or were interested on the idea and 5 did not. Regardless, it really does not matter because the truth is justified by reading my reviews I am glad you are getting into the crested hobby and please feel free to ask me any questions or concerns you have as I have been through a lot with theses little buggers. For example, the question always arises, how do I keep the gecko from eating the substrate. My suggestion is putting a crock pot or taller doggy bowl in your container. The crickets, roaches, or other bugs can't get out and the geckos will come down and eat them with no problem never risking substrate impaction. If not, no problem & I wish you the best of luck:clap:

 

[Talkenlate04]

In addition you state, "Plus almost everyone but a few agreed the risk is not worth the reward in their opinion." Once again this is not a correct statement. Although I admit we got off topic, I just went through the discussion and about 9 agreed and or were interested on the idea and 5 did not. Regardless, it really does not matter because the truth is justified by reading my reviews

When someone says they don't think the risk is worth the reward how does your review thread make their statement invalid? It's their opinion, nothing in your reviews is going to change their feelings on that opinion. Considering you are the only known breeder to be shipping eggs I would say its safe to say you are in the minority with your opinion of it being worth it.

But once again I am glad you enjoy it and it works for you and most importantly they get there safe.

 

[JoeRossi]

"When someone says they don't think the risk is worth the reward how does your review thread make their statement invalid?"

We can ping pong back and forth Ryan, but the bottom line is you made a statement that was invalid and very arrogant, ""You do know that sending the eggs in the mail would kill them right". Again, you should have asked or stated that you heard this comment. You "pissed" first so to speak.

Furthermore, if someone says that gas wont make a car run that is their opinion, but does this make it true? So, if you have shipped over 50 eggs safely and have recieved great feedback then someone has the opinion this "would kill them" and can't be done, then it is wrong (PROOF from results); So would I feel the specific opinion, "they don't think the risk is worth the reward" is a valid opinion? Clearly No & and the proof is there & I have the right not to agree with this and can say it is invalid. The Gas is in the car and the car is moving Ryan right in front of their face

Futhermore, it is not valid to say that I am "the minority with your opinion of it being worth it" in that discussion, when 9 agreed and or were interested and 5 did not. Maybe it can be valid if you did a survey of breeders and even then I would say, The Gas is in the car and the car is moving Ryan right in front of their face


But once again,

I am glad you are getting into the crested hobby and please feel free to ask me any questions or concerns you have as I have been through a lot with theses little buggers & If not, no problem & I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Talkenlate04]

Ok so I am not talking about the people that said it was a cool idea or the ones that wanted to get and egg and try hatching it. I am talking about the number of people that are copying your idea and shipping eggs instead of hatchlings. And so far from what I can see no one is copying your method because in their "opinion" it is not something they are going to ever want to do, so yes you are in the minority.

The mistake you are making is you are taking peoples opinion as a challenge as to whether it can or can't be done. Not one person in that thread said it can't be done. Clearly you have proven it works, but that does NOT change the opinion that the risk is not worth it.

Lol I won't even touch your gas comparison, lets just say it is not even in the same ballpark of what we are chatting about here.

 

[BACKWOODS]

eggs

Talkin Joe is very smart on cresteds he is someone to have on your side dont piss him off he got me started in cresties and I should have eggs any day now.A he sent me an egg and it is a nice litle brick red!

 

[JoeRossi]

NOT change the opinion that the risk is not worth it.

"NOT change the opinion that the risk is not worth it"

It was a fun comparison at that (The Gas), but you are missunderstanding that I am trying to change anyones opinion. Honestly, I don't care that they feel it is not worth the risk, but I still am going to advocate that it is since I am allowed to state my opinion. Again, the fact is I know the risk is worth it for me from the results of my buyers who love that they get to hatch out their own Crested and their are no risks for me since I have 100% rate. In fact, I have had more T's not make it through shipping then eggs (only two T's now ever after a lot of shipping) There are always risks in shipping and thank God I have yet to have an egg not make it to it's destination and or not hatch out. If & when I do (probable) have an egg not make it then I will still say it is still worth the risk given the 50 -1 ratio or what ever it is. I could ask how many T's you have had not make it through shipping and then say the same thing "it's not worth the risk". Obviously, it is worth the risk to you since I have recieved a T from you. Now, I would say this is a closer and very good comparison

Thanks Eric (Great people) & honestly not getting pissed just trying to help calrify things

Hope This Helps,

Joe

 

[Talkenlate04]

This has become quite pointless now because we are going in circles.
BACKWOODS I never said anything against what you are saying.
Good day two both of you I have to get to the hospital.

he sent me an egg and it is a nice litle brick red!

Most hatchlings are that brick reddish color.

 

[JoeRossi]

Circles....

Best of luck at the hospital and I am not sure what you intended for the conversation to do? Be a straight line validating your opinion? Obviously, it is going to go in circles if there is not an agreement. However, I am sure my comparison that some would feel it is not worth the risks to ship T's helped validate that we all have our opinions, but they are not always right to everyone else.

God Bless,
Joe

 

[Lucara]

Lol so I went to Petsmart and they only had Eyelash Cresteds. Fairly good sized ones for $69.99. Not sure if thats a deal or not =/.

 

[JoeRossi]

Good deal

All depends if it was a good deal for you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. How is the coloration?

 

[Smitty78]

Ryan,

Glad you can take a full breath again. These little geckos are so cute. I bet the Tarantulas would love gobbling them all up. ;P

 

[Talkenlate04]

I am just glad the asthma condition developed after my military time. I am convinced it is ether the cat or the roaches that are causing the problem. I'll know next week if it is allergy related asthma or just something else.

Tomorrow I have two adult mating pairs coming!

 

[xchondrox]

Get a R.Leachianus next! Theyre huge! and calm down nicely. I've about picked one up afew times but i didnt. Not that into lizards or i mean geckos.:?