Few more geckos

[Talkenlate04]

New baby!

 

[Talkenlate04]

New red ladies I got today at a local show.

 

[Talkenlate04]

More babies hatching! These two guys are awesome. One looks like Mom and one looks like Dad!

 

[Talkenlate04]

I am thinking I want a good power name, something like Cyrus or Maximus maybe Jagang (if anyone reads fantasy books they might know that name). Here is my main breeder male for my pinner ladies next year.

He even came with an awesome little freebie.

 

[syndicate]

Awesome you got him!!That male is killler!!!

 

[Talkenlate04]

Awesome you got him!!That male is killler!!!

Its even better that everything was free. :}

 

[Dave]

Hi Talkenlate04

I happened to see a vid you made about feeding the cresteds, and as a fellow hobby breeder, have some questions for you.

If baby food has all natural ingredients (just fruit or chicken), why not use it? I typically mix a wide variety of fruits plus chicken and the Repashy diet from the small sized bottle, plus reptile calcium and vitamins. Your method seems easier and I may switch to it based on your answers.

Also, I like the mustard container idea lol, I just thought of using a jumbo sized syringe myself (minus the needle) prior to watching the vid. Where do you get your supply of Repashy diet?

Keep up the good work. Everything you do on here is A+!

Thanks! -Dave

 

[Talkenlate04]

It is my understanding that the biggest reason to stay away from baby food is the sugar content especially in the fruit flavors. Sugar content that high is not good for a small reptile like a gecko.

Many heath issues have been linked to the constant use of baby foods, and most of the issues have been linked back to general malnutrition stemming from the use of baby food. Although it is made with natural ingredients, it does not have all of the necessary ingredients for your gecko to grow and thrive. And that is why the Repashy diet was developed. It has ALL of the needed ingredients for a healthy lively gecko. It was scientifically developed specifically for the feeding of geckos. Baby food was developed specifically for the feeding of baby humans.

I will admit a gecko may be able to survive off baby foods and supplements. But that is the key word, survive not thrive. I have bought a few geckos that were on a baby food diet and they were slow and lethargic, and were smaller then they should be for their age. Once I got them switched over to the CGD they took off fast gaining weight and becoming more active with every passing day.

In the video you watched I was using the complete Repashy diet. With the complete diet there is nothing to add other than water. All of the geckos nutritional needs are included in the complete diet.
They also have the MRP 2 part diet with several flavors you can mix up usually with a 60/40 mixture of the base and the nectar/flavor you choose.

Here is where I am getting my supply right now.
http://www.pangeareptile.com/store/index.php?target=categories&category_id=165
Hope that helped some.

 

[Miss Bianca]

Congratulations on your success.

 

[AzJohn]

;P

It is my understanding that the biggest reason to stay away from baby food is the sugar content especially in the fruit flavors. Sugar content that high is not good for a small reptile like a gecko.

Many heath issues have been linked to the constant use of baby foods, and most of the issues have been linked back to general malnutrition stemming from the use of baby food. Although it is made with natural ingredients, it does not have all of the necessary ingredients for your gecko to grow and thrive. And that is why the Repashy diet was developed. It has ALL of the needed ingredients for a healthy lively gecko. It was scientifically developed specifically for the feeding of geckos. Baby food was developed specifically for the feeding of baby humans.

I will admit a gecko may be able to survive off baby foods and supplements. But that is the key word, survive not thrive. I have bought a few geckos that were on a baby food diet and they were slow and lethargic, and were smaller then they should be for their age. Once I got them switched over to the CGD they took off fast gaining weight and becoming more active with every passing day.

In the video you watched I was using the complete Repashy diet. With the complete diet there is nothing to add other than water. All of the geckos nutritional needs are included in the complete diet.
They also have the MRP 2 part diet with several flavors you can mix up usually with a 60/40 mixture of the base and the nectar/flavor you choose.

Here is where I am getting my supply right now.
http://www.pangeareptile.com/store/index.php?target=categories&category_id=165
Hope that helped some.

It depends on the type of baby food. A lot of organic baby food is nothing but mushed fruit. Most prepared diets have some extra sweetner, ususally honey. It's amazing how these rummors start. The fact is, that right now, the powdered food has the added sweetner. I use it because the geckoes will allways eat it. They can be kind of picky. Finding a fruit based baby food they like can be hard.


John

 

[Talkenlate04]

;P


It depends on the type of baby food. A lot of organic baby food is nothing but mushed fruit. Most prepared diets have some extra sweetner, ususally honey. It's amazing how these rummors start. The fact is, that right now, the powdered food has the added sweetner. I use it because the geckoes will allways eat it. They can be kind of picky. Finding a fruit based baby food they like can be hard.


John

If you read the rest of my post I spoke about the lack of proper nutrition in any baby food as being a huge reason to not use it as a staple diet. The high sugar content hooks a gecko into only wanting to eat that food. I never once said there was no sugar content in Repashy cgd, but it is no where near as high as baby food.
If you match the nutrition label on the back of a baby food jar (any kind of baby food) to the Repashy diet you won't even come close to the same ingredients/nutritional values. That is not a rumor, that is just a simple fact. Even with supplements added to the baby food you still fall short of a proper diet.

Once again baby food is meant for baby humans, this stuff was made specifically for feeding to your geckos. It's been tested with 1000s of geckos over many years and proved itself to be a reliable safe nutritious food source that allows your gecko to grow and thrive.

All of this is obviously what I have chosen to subscribe to and put faith in. I have seen the results first hand and would NEVER feed baby food to my geckos. But that is just me.


Repashy food ingredients,

Ingredients
Banana powder, honey powder, hempola hempseed meal, bee pollen, calcium caseinate (source of isolated protein), fig powder, wheat germ meal, alfalfa leaf meal, brewers yeast, calcium carbonate, dicalcium phosphate, yeast culture, spirulina algae, rosehips powder, kelp meal, haemotococcus algae, marigold extract, rosemary extract, yucca extract, natural mixed tocopherols (as a preservative), vitamin A acetate, d-activated animal sterol (source of vitamin D3), dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, dried aspergillus niger fermentation extract, dried lactobacillus fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium thermophilum fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product and dried bacillus subtilis fermentation product.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude protein (min.) 20%, crude fat (min.) 3.5%, crude fiber (max.) 10%, moisture (max.) 8%, ash (max.) 6%, calcium (Ca) (min.) 1.8%, calcium (Ca) (max.) 2.3%, phosphorus (P) (min.) 0.7%, vitamin A acetate 17,500 iu/kg, vitamin D3 (min.) 3,500 iu/kilo.

 

[AzJohn]

The Ingredients for gerber 1st food bananas

ORGANIC BANANAS, CITRIC ACID, ASCORBIC ACID (VITAMIN C)

So what has more surgar? I do use the Repashy diet for a lot of the same reasons you mention, mostly I don't want to deal with adding suplements. I did it for a long time with out any problems. Most hobbiest can with a little research. That's how it all got started when crested geckos were very new in the pet industry. For years it was all that was available. So 1000s of geckos ate baby food before the powdered stuff. The hobby came out okay.

The powdered stuff is just easier. What I was saying is the rummor about all the added surgar in baby food is not allways valid.


john

 

[Dave]

It is my understanding that the biggest reason to stay away from baby food is the sugar content especially in the fruit flavors. Sugar content that high is not good for a small reptile like a gecko.

Many heath issues have been linked to the constant use of baby foods, and most of the issues have been linked back to general malnutrition stemming from the use of baby food. Although it is made with natural ingredients, it does not have all of the necessary ingredients for your gecko to grow and thrive. And that is why the Repashy diet was developed. It has ALL of the needed ingredients for a healthy lively gecko. It was scientifically developed specifically for the feeding of geckos. Baby food was developed specifically for the feeding of baby humans.

I will admit a gecko may be able to survive off baby foods and supplements. But that is the key word, survive not thrive. I have bought a few geckos that were on a baby food diet and they were slow and lethargic, and were smaller then they should be for their age. Once I got them switched over to the CGD they took off fast gaining weight and becoming more active with every passing day.

In the video you watched I was using the complete Repashy diet. With the complete diet there is nothing to add other than water. All of the geckos nutritional needs are included in the complete diet.
They also have the MRP 2 part diet with several flavors you can mix up usually with a 60/40 mixture of the base and the nectar/flavor you choose.

Here is where I am getting my supply right now.
http://www.pangeareptile.com/store/index.php?target=categories&category_id=165
Hope that helped some.

Excellent. Thanks!
I have a female I hatched and am raising who exhibits the "floppy tail syndrome" (I think that's the going name for it). Do you think this is due to nutritional deficiencies? I've heard conflicting reports.

 

[moose35]

aren't ingredients listed in order of the amount thats in a product?
if so in cgd its the 2nd ingredient. honey is at least 80% sugar.

where as bananas are about 12% sugar
peaches 9%
gerber bananas is about 15% sugar by weight 12 grams for 71 grams of food

i'm sure the cgd is good for the geckos but i doubt it has less sugar.
i'm sure those wierd names i've never heard of are readily available in the wild though.
(dried lactobacillus fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium thermophilum fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product and dried bacillus subtilis fermentation product. )

 

[Talkenlate04]

Excellent. Thanks!
I have a female I hatched and am raising who exhibits the "floppy tail syndrome" (I think that's the going name for it). Do you think this is due to nutritional deficiencies? I've heard conflicting reports.

Floppy tail syndrome "FTS" I have heard that it could be being caused by improper setup/ diet/ or even maybe genetically passed down by the parents. I don’t think there is any conclusive evidence of the cause of FTS ether way. Some say FTS will also cause irreversible hip damage inhibiting the female from properly laying her eggs.
I have heard many conflicting reports as well and am not sure what belief camp I am in yet when it comes to FTS. I do know that so far of the 2-3 geckos I have that do have FTS they seem to do just fine.

 

[Dave]

Floppy tail syndrome "FTS" I have heard that it could be being caused by improper setup/ diet/ or even maybe genetically passed down by the parents. I don’t think there is any conclusive evidence of the cause of FTS ether way. Some say FTS will also cause irreversible hip damage inhibiting the female from properly laying her eggs.
I have heard many conflicting reports as well and am not sure what belief camp I am in yet when it comes to FTS. I do know that so far of the 2-3 geckos I have that do have FTS they seem to do just fine.

Well, in my case, caging/accessories(vertical, horizontal) aren't the problem with her, diet- maybe (she been on what I mentioned in the first reply, genetics- time will tell with the newer siblings from the same set of parents. So far her two brothers of about the same age don't have it. Maybe it's a fairly common random trait. Who knows. Thanks for the info. I probably will switch to the cgd.

 

[Talkenlate04]

For years it was all that was available. So 1000s of geckos ate baby food before the powdered stuff. The hobby came out okay.

I agree, back in the day that was the only thing around, but that is not the case now. Now there is something better with much less hassle. Knowing there is a better healthier option I choose to ignore the other option and opt for the one that is best for my pets.
(just me though) Everyone else can do what they want with their pets.

 

[AzJohn]

I agree, back in the day that was the only thing around, but that is not the case now. Now there is something better with much less hassle. Knowing there is a better healthier option I choose to ignore the other option and opt for the one that is best for my pets.
(just me though) Everyone else can do what they want with their pets.

I agree that we all want the best for our animals. I just don't know if cgd is the best. What proof do we have other than the makers claims and a long list of additives. I know that overly processed food is not good for people. So it might not be good for geckos. Idealy we should provide a wide range of fruits and nectures as well as properly gut loaded crickets and other insects. The key is variety. Most of us can't so we go with what is available. I use the stuff, but I try not to make claims that it is the best. For me it's just the easiest.

John

 

[Talkenlate04]

I mix things up as well. I raise my own crickets, I like being able to control exactly what the feeder insects are eating. (l plus I love watching the geckos hunt crickets.) I dust those before feeding. I also started using some of the Clarks diet every 3rd feeding or so along with some 2 part MRP once and a while as well.
My point was not to say Repashy foods was the "best". My point is it is better than baby food by a large margin.

 

[Talkenlate04]

I look forward to breeding these guys together next year!
He even has a little heart shape on his nose!

Some babies.

Breeder females for next spring.