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I have refrained from posting in this ridiculous thread long enough.
You are an ass.
You are an ass.
Feeding my Nhandu chromatus
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jenniferinny
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Well, if I had a hatching of 2000 L parahybanas and found I could only really spend the time to care of half of them, I would probably figure that out pretty early on. They'd really be too small to feed off to any decent sized spiders and any spiders small enough to eat them would be at risk of being eaten themselves. I suppose theoretically I could keep them, and grow them. But, that would require feeding them crickets. Crickets or roaches grow much faster then even quick growing slings, so it would make more sense to feed off the crickets or roaches.
It just doesn't make much sense to feed them off. Ideally, I would just find someone else in the hobby that wanted to house 1000 L para's and send them out in bulk. That would definitely be my first choice before freezing anything. But, if I couldn't find anyone interested in taking on a chunk of them, then I would freeze them off as a last resort. Why? I'd rather do a good job with a thousand then a mediocre job with 2000.
Just looking at the slings I have here now, none of them would really be big enough to be a decent meal for a spider that was big enough to take it without any risk. It'd be a lot like feeding em fruitflies... Even a cricket-sized sling could potentially injure a grown T.
If that all makes any sense..
It just doesn't make much sense to feed them off. Ideally, I would just find someone else in the hobby that wanted to house 1000 L para's and send them out in bulk. That would definitely be my first choice before freezing anything. But, if I couldn't find anyone interested in taking on a chunk of them, then I would freeze them off as a last resort. Why? I'd rather do a good job with a thousand then a mediocre job with 2000.
Just looking at the slings I have here now, none of them would really be big enough to be a decent meal for a spider that was big enough to take it without any risk. It'd be a lot like feeding em fruitflies... Even a cricket-sized sling could potentially injure a grown T.
If that all makes any sense..
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Probably.
In this you are correct, however it seems that at this juncture you are having a spectacular time exercising you muscles at debate including the formulation of rebuttal. There are few points left to add at this time or objections left to raise that have not either been previously presented in exceptionally lengthy posts or anticipated by your initial post. Your question was answered prior to the first response to your initial post. In attempting to force members to answer your one specific question and ignore/comment on the larger issues and implications of these choices (for them individually of course) in a public forum, is the eqivalent of holding others hostage. In this arena I'm afraid you will always have your hands full with an endeavor such as this one.
I therefore move that no one else waste any further precious moments of their lives on this thread.
Well, I for one cannot just sit here and ignore what is going on.
The first thing I want to sort out, is the issue of having 1000+ slings. This is VERY simple, so listen carefully... If you KNOW your T is capable of having 1000+ slings and you CANNOT look after all of them or get rid of them then DON'T mate him/her. In NO WAY can I condone freezing em cuz you can't look after them. It is the same as having kids. If you can't afford to look after or care for them, then don't make em. I am seriously disguisted that there are some people here who would kill T's based on these ridiculous reason's. Unless your T is sick or suffereing there is NO REASON to kill it. Case Closed.
As for mc225, you really are taking things waaaay to far mate. I mean changing your details and crap. Hahaha... You sound like you are 9 Yrs old and creeping away hiding in a corner. You must lack common sense to actually think ppl here would just give you an answer and be off. Let's assume that no-one flamed on here, and you just got 3 or 4 replies saying "Yes, it will be safe". By now that lil sling or your bigger T might have been history.
The first thing I want to sort out, is the issue of having 1000+ slings. This is VERY simple, so listen carefully... If you KNOW your T is capable of having 1000+ slings and you CANNOT look after all of them or get rid of them then DON'T mate him/her. In NO WAY can I condone freezing em cuz you can't look after them. It is the same as having kids. If you can't afford to look after or care for them, then don't make em. I am seriously disguisted that there are some people here who would kill T's based on these ridiculous reason's. Unless your T is sick or suffereing there is NO REASON to kill it. Case Closed.
As for mc225, you really are taking things waaaay to far mate. I mean changing your details and crap. Hahaha... You sound like you are 9 Yrs old and creeping away hiding in a corner. You must lack common sense to actually think ppl here would just give you an answer and be off. Let's assume that no-one flamed on here, and you just got 3 or 4 replies saying "Yes, it will be safe". By now that lil sling or your bigger T might have been history.
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If anyone doesn't think that this thread wasn't started for effect, your dimwitted. If he truley did not care for the spider, its wellfare or the outcome of the potential feeding, then why didn't he just do it and wait for the outcome.
You did not need a bunch of hobbyists to endorse, advise, or sanction your decision. Quite simply, with two T's of diff. sp. in the same enclosure, one or both will die from resulting mechnical injury.
But instead you wound up with 5 pages of effect!!!
PIG-
You did not need a bunch of hobbyists to endorse, advise, or sanction your decision. Quite simply, with two T's of diff. sp. in the same enclosure, one or both will die from resulting mechnical injury.
But instead you wound up with 5 pages of effect!!!
PIG-
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I guess I have a different point of view.. Obviously, freezing anything wouldn't be a first choice. But, there are species that can have such a widely varied amount of young. L parahybana for instance. Anything I've read states between 1000-2000. I have a L parahybana sling and have no intention of breeding it when it grows up for that very reason. I was just proposing a point. That, even if I did end up with a lot more slings then I bargained for I still wouldn't feed them off. I was just pointing out an extreme situation. What if you do breed a spider that has been popular, but, it turns out everyone else bred the same kind all at once and you can't even give the slings away?
That could conceivably happen. It would be highly unusual, but, that should be something you are prepared for.
Fortunately, spiders aren't like puppies or kittens that take only a few days to start looking neglected.
I suppose I have a different perspective as I've seen what happens in other hobbies where the market is overwhelmed. I worked in an animal shelter and had to kill as much as 10 dogs and 30 kittens a day. That is a well known and publicized problem, and yet people insist on not neutering and cranking out litter after litter of mixed breed pups to sell as 'designer dogs.'
I was just stating what could be the case if such a thing happened in the hobby that is tarantula keeping.
In that bizarre case where I ended up with a whole bunch of slings I could not even give away, I still would rather freeze off or otherwise kill off as humanely as possible rather then feed them off.. I would also prefer that to having more then I could care for and neglecting my entire collection as a result.
That of course is all theoretical and could very likely never happen with any kind of planning.
I was just trying to make a point.
As someone who belongs to many different forums, including ones on animal rescue that are just glutted with 'trolls', (Those who join a forum only to stir up emotional response) I would say that this board is remarkably troll-free, so far.
Any who made particularly emotional posts should rethink doing that in future. Trolls work together and have their own forums and groups. When they find a forum with a highly charged level of emotion,they let all their little troll buddies know about it and soon you have a message board full of them.
The best recourse is to respond as matter of factly as possible as it may not really be a troll, but, just someone that is not particularly good at thinking things through before speaking.
If you give them no emotional response, they get bored and leave..
Didn't mean to step on any toes if I did with my little purely theoretical situation..
That could conceivably happen. It would be highly unusual, but, that should be something you are prepared for.
Fortunately, spiders aren't like puppies or kittens that take only a few days to start looking neglected.
I suppose I have a different perspective as I've seen what happens in other hobbies where the market is overwhelmed. I worked in an animal shelter and had to kill as much as 10 dogs and 30 kittens a day. That is a well known and publicized problem, and yet people insist on not neutering and cranking out litter after litter of mixed breed pups to sell as 'designer dogs.'
I was just stating what could be the case if such a thing happened in the hobby that is tarantula keeping.
In that bizarre case where I ended up with a whole bunch of slings I could not even give away, I still would rather freeze off or otherwise kill off as humanely as possible rather then feed them off.. I would also prefer that to having more then I could care for and neglecting my entire collection as a result.
That of course is all theoretical and could very likely never happen with any kind of planning.
I was just trying to make a point.
As someone who belongs to many different forums, including ones on animal rescue that are just glutted with 'trolls', (Those who join a forum only to stir up emotional response) I would say that this board is remarkably troll-free, so far.
Any who made particularly emotional posts should rethink doing that in future. Trolls work together and have their own forums and groups. When they find a forum with a highly charged level of emotion,they let all their little troll buddies know about it and soon you have a message board full of them.
The best recourse is to respond as matter of factly as possible as it may not really be a troll, but, just someone that is not particularly good at thinking things through before speaking.
If you give them no emotional response, they get bored and leave..
Didn't mean to step on any toes if I did with my little purely theoretical situation..
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If you think all trolls do this, you're wrong. They're a large minority at best. Most of them are just random bored individuals who think they can get their kicks by being comedy geniuses and maybe showing a couple buddies over instant messenger.
Although I agree with TarantulaLV's assessment that this thread was substantively over by the middle of the second page at the latest, I was drawn into defending my point of view and here we are. I've been a memeber here for a year and I post infrequently. I don't make a life out of being on forums (though there's nothing wrong with it), I don't use these forums as a social outlet (obviously). I asked an honest question. The very worst I am guilty of in this circumstance is being naive, which, as far as I'm aware, is not a crime.
Furhtermore, I suggest the "trolls" here are the ones who've responded with insults while failing to comprehend or address the question at hand. In other words, it's the uninformed group think mentality that serves to troll these forums far better than I could ever dream of doing, even if I set out to try. Frankly, after having taken the time to express my point of view as delicately as I have, I'm insulted by the accusation.
You're back peddling jennifer. If you wouldn't use the slings as food under any situation, then how could you work a job and actually take money while those cats and dogs were being killed in the back room? Why did you not grab all you could under your arms and run out the door? I certainly respect your feeling the way you do, but you must recognize it's inconsistent.
PIG - your post clearly indicates you did not read this thread, or the first post for that matter.
Anyway this thread is horribly off topic and over. The discussion has become purely an exercise and would be best taken to PM's or some other forum for those who want to continue it. (not me)
Furhtermore, I suggest the "trolls" here are the ones who've responded with insults while failing to comprehend or address the question at hand. In other words, it's the uninformed group think mentality that serves to troll these forums far better than I could ever dream of doing, even if I set out to try. Frankly, after having taken the time to express my point of view as delicately as I have, I'm insulted by the accusation.
You're back peddling jennifer. If you wouldn't use the slings as food under any situation, then how could you work a job and actually take money while those cats and dogs were being killed in the back room? Why did you not grab all you could under your arms and run out the door? I certainly respect your feeling the way you do, but you must recognize it's inconsistent.
PIG - your post clearly indicates you did not read this thread, or the first post for that matter.
Anyway this thread is horribly off topic and over. The discussion has become purely an exercise and would be best taken to PM's or some other forum for those who want to continue it. (not me)
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I think you need to look up what the word delicately means.
If you had any forethought to the question you were going to ask you would have known the reaction us "trolls" you were going to give you.
I mean common now.......... a group of people that think along the same terms and react basically the same when asked a morally offensive question in regards to their personal love for a hobby, in this case tarantulas, hardly makes us "trolls". It's called common sense, and a unified passion for something we all care about.
If you have other ways of handling a problem, in your case extra T's, don't you think you should exhaust all those avenues first before you jump to the route you were thinking of taking?
Obviously that was rhetorical, because you already went the common sense route and are giving the T to someone else and that just further illustrated you knew from the beginning that it was a silly question to even be thinking about asking a bunch of Tarantula lovers. ;P
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"You're back peddling jennifer. If you wouldn't use the slings as food under any situation, then how could you work a job and actually take money while those cats and dogs were being killed in the back room? Why did you not grab all you could under your arms and run out the door? I certainly respect your feeling the way you do, but you must recognize it's inconsistent."
Now, that right there is targeting me personally and trying to evict a emotional response.
I also wouldn't use puppies or kittens as live prey for other animals. I also don't believe in inhumanely keeping animals under neglectful situations. What would I do with the 30 kittens that came in the next day and the day after that? Within a week I would have 70 dogs and 210 kittens in my home. That doesn't make any sense.
No, I did not take money. I was a volunteer. I certainly did rescue as many as I could. But, those were few and far between. There's only so many one person can afford to neuter and adopt out responsibly. I have 2 foster kittens right now. I have actively worked in animal rescue for over 9 years and have rescued over 200 cats alone. Just to clarify that I am not some harbinger of death that enjoys killing kittens but wouldn't harm a spider.
Just as I wouldn't feed the live kittens to the pit bulls, I wouldn't feed the extra slings to my bigger T's. Sure, it would make more economic sense, but, I don't think either is necessarily the best way of going about it. I think it's better to let prey animals that can be quickly and humanely killed be the food and to humanely kill additional predators that would fight back as kindly as possible.
That was the simile I was trying to draw.
However, since you chose to attack me personally when I was doing nothing but responding with what I would do in a non-combative manner, I will go ahead and leave this alone.
Mushroom Spore, do your research on trolls. Yes, there are many that are just a couple bored kids around a computer. What I was talking about is the troll infestations you find at some sites that are coordinated efforts. Since there has already been a new member that has joined in defense of MC225, it may be that he is in cohorts with such a group. But, I don't like to jump to conclusions. That could've just been a friend of his having fun. I was just making a recommendation based on what I've seen at other forums.
It was a generalization and as such there could certainly be exceptions. No reason to be combative about it.. I certainly wasn't calling everyone else here a troll. Trolls join a board and make comments that are the opposite of what everyone else on the forum believes. Since everyone else here is against feeding the Nhandu off, that would be the general belief of the forum.
Now, that right there is targeting me personally and trying to evict a emotional response.
I also wouldn't use puppies or kittens as live prey for other animals. I also don't believe in inhumanely keeping animals under neglectful situations. What would I do with the 30 kittens that came in the next day and the day after that? Within a week I would have 70 dogs and 210 kittens in my home. That doesn't make any sense.
No, I did not take money. I was a volunteer. I certainly did rescue as many as I could. But, those were few and far between. There's only so many one person can afford to neuter and adopt out responsibly. I have 2 foster kittens right now. I have actively worked in animal rescue for over 9 years and have rescued over 200 cats alone. Just to clarify that I am not some harbinger of death that enjoys killing kittens but wouldn't harm a spider.
Just as I wouldn't feed the live kittens to the pit bulls, I wouldn't feed the extra slings to my bigger T's. Sure, it would make more economic sense, but, I don't think either is necessarily the best way of going about it. I think it's better to let prey animals that can be quickly and humanely killed be the food and to humanely kill additional predators that would fight back as kindly as possible.
That was the simile I was trying to draw.
However, since you chose to attack me personally when I was doing nothing but responding with what I would do in a non-combative manner, I will go ahead and leave this alone.
Mushroom Spore, do your research on trolls. Yes, there are many that are just a couple bored kids around a computer. What I was talking about is the troll infestations you find at some sites that are coordinated efforts. Since there has already been a new member that has joined in defense of MC225, it may be that he is in cohorts with such a group. But, I don't like to jump to conclusions. That could've just been a friend of his having fun. I was just making a recommendation based on what I've seen at other forums.
It was a generalization and as such there could certainly be exceptions. No reason to be combative about it.. I certainly wasn't calling everyone else here a troll. Trolls join a board and make comments that are the opposite of what everyone else on the forum believes. Since everyone else here is against feeding the Nhandu off, that would be the general belief of the forum.
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You think I haven't?
And I'll say again, that is not the definition of a troll nor the majority of them.
Only one person with only one response? If he was coming off a place like Something Awful or Portal of Evil (which, by the way, ban forum users for admitting that they troll other websites or try to organize mass trollings. The sole exception is that SA will occasionally support its members harassing or otherwise attacking certain pedophilic websites), there would be hundreds of them. The supporter was either MC225 or someone making fun of him.
I think this thread is making all of us very sensitive. I said you were incorrect. That's all.
Fixed. Nitpicking, but specifics matter. Simply disagreeing does not a troll make.
How can you say this and then an hour & a half later you are BACK POSTING again. Please take your own advise and take this elsewhere.
For Everyone Else :
I'm afraid that this thread is nowhere near topic and majority of the posts have nothing to do with it. Can't you guys all see what is happening here??
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I don't believe that this guy even has a Nhandu, so the point of discussing of feeding him or not feeding him to the other tarantula is lost.
I think it has been quite entertaining, however. Mostly because it has been a deviation of normal discussions on the board, more alike to a sort of "Other Discussions" -subforum.
It's really a pity there isn't one. It would be nice to know a lot of you people and your thoughts concerning many other things than tarantulas a bit better.
I think it has been quite entertaining, however. Mostly because it has been a deviation of normal discussions on the board, more alike to a sort of "Other Discussions" -subforum.
It's really a pity there isn't one. It would be nice to know a lot of you people and your thoughts concerning many other things than tarantulas a bit better.
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WOW! MC225 is going to make "ArachnoSquire" in a single thread!
ENOUGH WITH THE NONSENSE ALREADY.
I certainly do not agree with MC225, but obviously, we all have different points of view. This thread was not started to showcase our thoughts, but rather to create an uproar. I for one think it's time to put this to bed.
MC225:
The responses here were merely a result of your pointless post. I do not feel sorry for you in the slightest. GROW UP.
TIM
ENOUGH WITH THE NONSENSE ALREADY.
I certainly do not agree with MC225, but obviously, we all have different points of view. This thread was not started to showcase our thoughts, but rather to create an uproar. I for one think it's time to put this to bed.
MC225:
The responses here were merely a result of your pointless post. I do not feel sorry for you in the slightest. GROW UP.
TIM