Feeder Lizards?
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my haitan brown centipede was given an anole while i was leaving the pet shop, anole was noticably bigger than the Pede, but it went right after the anole, wrapped it up like a snake would to a mouse and started biting the heck out of it, then after enough venom was injected, it started eating through the anole, in several spots, holes big enough to see light through and the pede would go in one hole, out the other, then turn around and go back to making a new hole
awesomely impressive i might add
fed my big asian a hisser roach and she promptly tore that thing apart, her and the babies were sitting around eating it, looked kinda cool hah, ill give her a vert soon
awesomely impressive i might add
fed my big asian a hisser roach and she promptly tore that thing apart, her and the babies were sitting around eating it, looked kinda cool hah, ill give her a vert soon
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It's young, piter, maybe 3 - 3.5 inches or so. Voracious appetite.
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Both my emps are a little over 7 inches.PIter said:
three crikets? try 4 lizards in 5 days. LoL They eat em like candy.
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Maybe she's tired of crickets.
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little late: http://lllreptile.com/store/catalog/feeder-crickets-worms-rodents-roaches-and-more/feeder-lizards/Do they sell these at all?
Cause I've been feeding both my emp scorpions these lizards i found in my backyard for the past 2 weeks. My scorps eat them like candy.
So if they don't have it, they outta, cause my scorps love em. They could be the feeder mouse alternitive.
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You do realize this thread is from 2004 and the OP hasn't been active on the forums since 2009, right?
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Since this thread was dug up from the graveyard of old threads and a lot of people will no doubt read it I might as well add that not only is feeding items from outside very risky but also green anole lizards are in trouble as the brown anoles are taking over their territories (the brown ones are not native to the USA). Also, vertebrates are more likely to rot if pieces are left behind. Honestly I don't think it's worth all the fuss but that's me.
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Maaaaaaan even though this is a zombie thread I just have to say something. Woijchik89 is <edit> up. Feeding live feeder vertebrates is undeniably inhumane, unnecessary, and <edit> stupid. It's not just a matter of opinion that's just stupid. It's completely to please the owner, regardless of the detriment to the scorpions and the feeder lizards which go through an intense amount of pain and fear while being eaten alive. That's just sick.
Have some <edit> decency and treat animals humanely.
Have some <edit> decency and treat animals humanely.
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snippy
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A +1 from the heart to what Vicky said!!
Well put!
Well put!
ozzytoys
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dude............ YES! seriously, that's awesome. too bad i live in the northern part of the country...... although michigan does have salamanders....
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Vicki. Talking about decency--what's up with the filthy toilet mouth???????
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yes, but I was googleing feeder lizards, and I decided to post in this thread for others who might want info. I saw all member in this thread havnt logged in since forever
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I'd rather feed scorps to my big lizards.
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I wouldnt feed a scorp a salamandar...all the mucus could be bad for it. I found like 3, but let them go.
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The excessive amounts of calcium in vertebrate prey are speculated to be detrimental to the health of arachnids. It is recommended that vertebrate food items be used as an occasional treat. It would be more natural, therefor healthy, to feed your scorpions a diet that consist of more invertebrates such as crickets, grasshoppers, or roaches as invertebrates tend to eat other invertebrates more often than they eat vertebrates, specifically scorpions. Scorpions in the wild would eat and estimate amount of 70% invertebrates compared to 30% vertebrates, although I'm sure these numbers may vary from study to study, species to species, and environment to environment, but generally, the mathematics lean towards invertebrates > vertebrates.
You cannot "train" scorpions, or otherwise keep their skills in "peak condition," their muscles "worked out" or their mind, "sharp." It does not affect their ability to hunt. They are not capable of increasing their sensing ability or the like by absorbing any knowledge, because they simply cannot learn. Their muscular structure is much different than vertebrates as they are not required to condition their muscles. They do not get stronger, nor do they get weaker, with the exception of a juvenile aging into adulthood. An adult scorpion that scavenges on food would be no weaker than one that had to murder the toughest of prey. However, although aside from keeping your arachnids fed, the food of choice does no provide any benefits.
If anything, you are putting higher, more mentally developed animals to their death. You are also removing native wildlife. If they are so numerous, that is because nature provides them to the natural predators that feed off of them, while leaving excessive numbers to continue thriving. In the mean time, you are providing more insectivorous predators as food, and they can provide a threat to your scorpions come the day they aren't hungry and the lizard is particularly strong and famished. As mentioned, it is also less sanitary leaving more meaty animals to rot within the confines of the enclosure.
It is also worth noting that the scorpions are not fooled by the camouflage because they do not use their eyes beyond finding a dark crevice. They are capable of detecting movement via hair-like structures by detecting vibrations in the ground or air. (Some would call these vibrations "sound.") Any ambush predator is capable of capturing swift prey if the prey is trapped in an enclosure. The capture would be inevitable and renders speed as a defense, useless. (Although it may stall the time between entrance to death.)
You cannot "train" scorpions, or otherwise keep their skills in "peak condition," their muscles "worked out" or their mind, "sharp." It does not affect their ability to hunt. They are not capable of increasing their sensing ability or the like by absorbing any knowledge, because they simply cannot learn. Their muscular structure is much different than vertebrates as they are not required to condition their muscles. They do not get stronger, nor do they get weaker, with the exception of a juvenile aging into adulthood. An adult scorpion that scavenges on food would be no weaker than one that had to murder the toughest of prey. However, although aside from keeping your arachnids fed, the food of choice does no provide any benefits.
If anything, you are putting higher, more mentally developed animals to their death. You are also removing native wildlife. If they are so numerous, that is because nature provides them to the natural predators that feed off of them, while leaving excessive numbers to continue thriving. In the mean time, you are providing more insectivorous predators as food, and they can provide a threat to your scorpions come the day they aren't hungry and the lizard is particularly strong and famished. As mentioned, it is also less sanitary leaving more meaty animals to rot within the confines of the enclosure.
It is also worth noting that the scorpions are not fooled by the camouflage because they do not use their eyes beyond finding a dark crevice. They are capable of detecting movement via hair-like structures by detecting vibrations in the ground or air. (Some would call these vibrations "sound.") Any ambush predator is capable of capturing swift prey if the prey is trapped in an enclosure. The capture would be inevitable and renders speed as a defense, useless. (Although it may stall the time between entrance to death.)
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Same here, +5 to everything Vicky said and didn't say.
@Lizardminion .. I don't think any kind of rational based argument will work for people that feed live lizards to scorpions. Without a don't most do it for kicks and don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks...They get of on watching animals being slowly eaten alive....I'd certainly question the mindstate of anyone that fed live vertebrae to anything.
@Lizardminion .. I don't think any kind of rational based argument will work for people that feed live lizards to scorpions. Without a don't most do it for kicks and don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks...They get of on watching animals being slowly eaten alive....I'd certainly question the mindstate of anyone that fed live vertebrae to anything.
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What about snakes that must eat live?
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In nature, that's hopefully not with someone watching and taking enjoyment in it...