False molting? Often in a stress posture? Spider PTSD?

CuteSpooders

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I'm new to this hobby and picked up my first T a few months ago. I've spent so much time researching, reading, and watching before I seriously considered picking up a T.

I went to Pet Supplies Plus for cat supplies, so of course I had to see if they had any spiders. I did find one, in this condition, on top of a shelf directly under the lights, for who knows how long:
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It was neglected, didn't have a real hide, and they were feeding it pinhead crickets. It's been a challenge, and maybe I'm projecting, but it hasn't acted as I expected. For one, it absolutely will not eat during the day, will not eat if I'm in proximity, barely digs, and it's come to my attention that it apparently sits in a stress position all day?
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But here's where things have started getting weird. I started finding more uneaten prey. I figure maybe premolt. I come out one morning to check on it, and it's in a really weird position with its legs splayed out and it's body flat against the ground. It wasn't a death curl, but I'd seen similar positions on YouTube videos from spiders that were dehydrated. But that also didn't make sense because I keep an eye on its water and moisture levels. I tapped the enclosure and it flinched a little. So I opened the enclosure to investigate, and it got up and walked off to its usual spot. I worry, but it dawns on me that maybe I interrupted the start of a molt.

I go about business as usual, but reduce the prey I'd put in (she loves wax worms, and likes dubia). I drop some worms in one night, and they're there the next morning. Plus I find the spider in this position:
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I get excited and figure NOW it's molt time. I come back a couple hours later, and she...stopped? I think one of the wax worms touched her and made her freak out and stop, but I'm not 100%.

So I stopped putting in prey, and have left her completely alone. I brought this up in a Facebook group and multiple people said she was stressed. I figured I'd put in a hide I used previously (in an enclosure that wasn't right for her), but she's not using it, at all. She sits in her web mat, in a depression she dug, every hour of every day, in the same position.

I'm at a loss here and I'm not sure what to do, if anything. Have any of you seen problems like this? Does my seemanni have mental issues? Does it need counseling?
 

DaveM

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That spider is not in premolt, not going to molt any time soon. You can tell by the light flesh color of the abdomen. Judging from the abdomen size, it has been fed the appropriate amount, and it doesn't look dehydrated. Just focus on giving good care. I think your spider needs more time to settle in to its new enclosure.

In the future, it would be best not to buy such tarantulas from pet stores. I know it feels like you rescued the poor creature from a situation where it was not getting proper care, but really you are rewarding the pet store and encouraging it to continue the bad practices, which have now been profitable. Now, more tarantulas will be acquired to replace the one you bought, bringing more into those bad conditions. It's likely that the big pet store buys wild-caught animals, removed from their native environment, harming wild populations. In the future, I recommend buying captive-bred spiders from specialized online dealers (many good ones reviewed here on AB) or from classified ads here.

Good luck, and welcome to the hobby 👍

P.S. A. seemanni are cute, and underrated in my opinion. Enjoy!
 

arachnidgill

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I'll add that fossorials tend to take longer to settle in after rehousing. My A. seemanni female took about 7 months to fully settle in and construct her burrow.
 

CuteSpooders

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That spider is not in premolt, not going to molt any time soon. You can tell by the light flesh color of the abdomen. Judging from the abdomen size, it has been fed the appropriate amount, and it doesn't look dehydrated. Just focus on giving good care. I think your spider needs more time to settle in to its new enclosure.

In the future, it would be best not to buy such tarantulas from pet stores. I know it feels like you rescued the poor creature from a situation where it was not getting proper care, but really you are rewarding the pet store and encouraging it to continue the bad practices, which have now been profitable. Now, more tarantulas will be acquired to replace the one you bought, bringing more into those bad conditions. It's likely that the big pet store buys wild-caught animals, removed from their native environment, harming wild populations. In the future, I recommend buying captive-bred spiders from specialized online dealers (many good ones reviewed here on AB) or from classified ads here.

Good luck, and welcome to the hobby 👍

P.S. A. seemanni are cute, and underrated in my opinion. Enjoy!
Why would it randomly lay on its side? Or lay down like an exhausted dog? Those are the things confusing me that I've seen it do.
 

Smotzer

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Why would it randomly lay on its side? Or lay down like an exhausted dog? Those are the things confusing me that I've seen it do.
It is just settling in, which given what it looks likes approx size it may take a while to fully settle in.
She sits in her web mat, in a depression she dug, every hour of every day, in the same position.
If you got a tarantula expecting it to be super active and do a lot of moving around you got the wrong pet.
 

CuteSpooders

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It is just settling in, which given what it looks likes approx size it may take a while to fully settle in.

If you got a tarantula expecting it to be super active and do a lot of moving around you got the wrong pet.
Laying on its side and looking half dead are settling in behaviors?

I knew what I was getting into. But I was expecting a seemanni to dig and hide. Not carve out a divot and sit in the middle of it when hides are available.
 

coolnweird

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Laying on its side and looking half dead are settling in behaviors?

I knew what I was getting into. But I was expecting a seemanni to dig and hide. Not carve out a divot and sit in the middle of it when hides are available.
Spiders are weird! My T albo used to habitually lay on her side against the enclosure wall, and I've found multiple of my Ts stretched out flat and relaxing. If she wanted to hide, she would, but right now she just wants to lay in funny positions and do some yoga!
 

CuteSpooders

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Mystery solved! Her abdomen just started darkening. I think all of us are right to some degree lol
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DaveM

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Good! Now you can say it's in premolt. And the bald spot will be replaced with fresh hair... ...would that we aging men could perform this trick!
 
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