Extracting venom?

[SpaceHawk]

I don't think so .... I have no idea of scorpion venom structure, but snake venom is actually a protein and unless injected into one's veins it is harmless. If you drink it, you would digest it as any other protein. The only threat might be possible wound in your mouth.
I assume that it will be the same way with scorp venom ...

Dude....it was joke...you know...the kind you tell to make someone laugh, or say "that would be funny"...etc.

 

[Tityus]

Ok Fusion121

I have a book here from Gunter Schmidt "Giftige und gefahrliche Spinnentiere" he descripes how to milking venom from scorpions and he tell that massage of the telson give 10x stronger venom then electrical stimulated venom milking.

@youngcrawler how do you think to preserve the venom dried or lyophilized or Frozen ??

=> Best way to store it is to put the liquid into the freezer. Its stable quite a few years when frozen. Scorpion venom is mostly just small peptides and organic molecules so it would be stable virtually indefinately whilst frozen. <=

Quotation of : Dr. Bryan Grieg Fry (Australian Venom Research Unit)

 

[Tityus]

Hi Guy's

It's time for a scorpion venom shake :} :}

 

[SpaceHawk]

I use to work with a bird breeder who bred different species of raptors for falconry. The male birds thats were imprinted would have to excrete the sperm onto a leather or rubber hat (these birds are called hat birds) and then we would take these tiny glass tubes and touch it to the little bit of sperm and it would suck it right up so we could inject it into the females cloaca. This would be good if you had the scorp sting something and then touched the tube to the venom, it would suck it up the same way and you wouldn't even have to do anything special, just get it pissed off enough to inject a good amount of venom. I don't like stressing out my scorps, but it would work.


Do you think shocking them can hurt them?

 

[JonDaAzn]

I wouldn't think so, if properly applied, electrical shocks are pretty harmless, they use it all the time for physical therapy in humans

 

[NoS]

This would be good if you had the scorp sting something and then touched the tube to the venom, it would suck it up the same way and you wouldn't even have to do anything special, just get it pissed off enough to inject a good amount of venom. I don't like stressing out my scorps, but it would work.

Sounds like exactly what i said.

 

[SpaceHawk]

Sounds like exactly what i said.

I realized that after I wrote it. At least we're on the same page. :8o

 

[G. Carnell]

I wouldn't think so, if properly applied, electrical shocks are pretty harmless, they use it all the time for physical therapy in humans

then again humans can get enjoyment out of the most sadistic things; it might not be wise to compare a human with a scorpion...

 

[SpaceHawk]

then again humans can get enjoyment out of the most sadistic things; it might not be wise to compare a human with a scorpion...

I agree. A lot of animals, especially inverts don't have the pian tolerance that we have. You got to think about our size and weight in relation to the amount voltage we use in for shock therapy. A scorp is only a few grams usually.

 

[NoS]

I agree. A lot of animals, especially inverts don't have the pian tolerance that we have. You got to think about our size and weight in relation to the amount voltage we use in for shock therapy. A scorp is only a few grams usually.

I heard a theory once that arachnids, as well as some other nonmammal animals, do not feel pain, or atleast they do not percieve it like mammals do.

 

[fusion121]

I heard a theory once that arachnids, as well as some other nonmammal animals, do not feel pain, or atleast they do not percieve it like mammals do.

Its highly likely that they don't feel pain, a fact supported by research on other invertebrates. You definitely can't extrapolate human feelings/emotions to other animals (especially invertebrates) without reaching incorrect conclusions, something PETA has never seemed to grasp.

 

[SpaceHawk]

I hate PETA. I guess, seeing how crickets and other bugs don't feel pain, scorps probably wouldn't either. how many volts do you need to make them excrete the venom? How long do you need to shock them for?

 

[Venom]

Electric shock?

Why not milk them the old fashioned way: get a jar, stretch a membrane across it ( cellophane or some other thin polymer sheet ) secure the membrane to the jar with a rubber band, lower the jar w/ membrane into the enclosure with tongs, and let the scorpion sting it and inject venom into the jar. This is pretty much what they do with snakes, so I don't see why it wouldn't work with a scorpion, except that you might need a pipet to extract the tiny amount of venom from the jar. This would seem ( at least to me ) the easiest and least stressful method--no electricity, no handling, just the scorpion defending itself from an intruder.

 

[SpaceHawk]

That has already been mentioned here