Ever Heard Of It?
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If it is a B. vagans and a B. albopilosum hybrid just take care of it the same as any other Brachypelma.. Thats what I would do.. Also if it is than it might not be a wise thing to breed it if you ever plan on doing that.. Would you happen to have a picture of it?
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A picture would be great. Who did you happen to purchase this T from? Honestly I would love to know. If it is a true cross, I would suggest placing it in the freezer for about 1 hour just to make absolute sure.....:wall: :wall:
Someone actually sold a crossbreed? My head hurts, I'm tired, I'm going to bed.
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A dealer was actually selling these crosses on this forum, I'd say a few weeks ago. According to the seller, they bought a mature female that had already been bred to a male of the other species. The original owner did not think she was gravid, but she laid a sac for the new owner. I sent them a PM clearly stating my opinion on the matter. I never got a reply, but I'm assuming they got a number of PMs of the same nature as the ad was never put up again. If it was me, the whole sac would have been stuck in the freezer before they even had legs, but I'm not sure what happened to them.
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Do you mind stating who, or providing a link for those of us that missed it?
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Well imd12nv, look what you've started, haha...I'm just half-kidding. I say half because there is a lot of controversy over hybridising. Like the others that posted above me, I too am against it, but there are a lot of people who don't see the problem with it. Your T will most likely be infertile, not that you should be breeding it anyway. I wouldn't kill it, just because it wasn't the T's fault that its parents were two different species, also it may not actually be an albovagans. Did you buy it before or after you found out it may be a hybrid? If it was after then it's not your fault in anyway, however if you were told before you bought it, then in all honesty, you probably shouldn't have bought it just because that would be supporting something that really shouldn't be supported. Of course, if you were told before you bought it, the seller could have just been lying so that you'd think it was a rare specimen and would buy it. I hope you didn't pay too much for it...is there any way you could get some pictures up?
Cassandra
EDIT: I agree with jayefbe, if I received a gravid albo and was told that it may have been mated with a vagans, the sac would have gone in the freezer - however your T has started its little T life so I think you should keep it around. Also kudos to you jayefbe for messaging the people selling those crosses. Maybe if they receive enough negative feedback then they won't promote hybrids.
Cassandra
EDIT: I agree with jayefbe, if I received a gravid albo and was told that it may have been mated with a vagans, the sac would have gone in the freezer - however your T has started its little T life so I think you should keep it around. Also kudos to you jayefbe for messaging the people selling those crosses. Maybe if they receive enough negative feedback then they won't promote hybrids.
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I have to say, Im appalled.
This was sent to me earlier this week...I never actually watched the vid, although I have a feeling I know what the outcome is.
Read the comments though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__IT2-ODGp8
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I remember seeing the ad in the FS section. I thought it was exceedingly odd to see, and I wondered how many PMs got sent to that particular member. I admit though, I was more than a little curious, but I suppose that is only natural. That being said, I'm sure we are all curious, but understand why it should not be done. We don't know enough as it is, without adding hybrids to the mix.
I will post pictures when I get home I am at work. I dont plan on killing it. i also dont plan on ever trying to breed it if its even possible. I did not purchase it it was given to me by a local reptile shop that didnt know what to do with it. I see everyones point and I understand it. Im pretty new to the hobby and was unaware of the seriousness of this. but that is why im here to learn. thx for all the input.
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Quite noble of you to take it in and keep it alive. Although hybrids are frowned upon it is more respectable to let it live and not kill it than deny it life after it's been born. It sucks that it had to exist as a hybrid but it's alive and there's no sense in killing it at this point.
I have meaning to ask about hybrids but was worried I was gonna get scorched by vicious T handlers, but here goes...what is the deal and why on earth do you think 'diluting bloodlines' in tarantula species is bad for anything but a hobbyist who wants a 'better' spider? if a couple of spiders met in the wild and made a sac that was fertile is mother nature doing a bad thing? and werent we awfully angry with hitler when he thought that purifying our bloodlines was a good thing....I see the point in wanting to know for sure what is what but really???? this seems really petty and not as detrimental as some make it sound( I am neither for or against just trying to make sense of this subject) cocker spaniel plus poodle equals cockapoo.....caucasion and negroid equals mullato and I really hope no one wants to put thier babies in a freezer to cleanse the bloodlines......
1) Dogs are trinomials - C. l. familiaris
2) Humans are trinomials - H. s. sapiens
A trinomial can mate with anything in that species but crossing one species with another species of the same genus is a different story. You don't cross Homo sapiens with Homo floresiensis and Canis lupus with Canis adustus because they are different species of the same genus. That is not to say that one species can't cross with another of the same genus but the outcome is generally not good. Now a cocker spaniel and a poodle are just subspecies or morphs just like a caucasoid and negroid are nothing more than subspecies or morphs.
yay my first response to hybrid question
ok here the deal with hybrids
they are bad for the hobby
because tarantulas aren't confusing enough
there are so many problems with
common name names hence why everyone uses scientific
names.
so with hybrids ther would be a plethora
of tarantulas no one
can identify
plus there is so many rare spiders
and possibility of getting ripped off by a dealer.
i dont want to go into too much detail
of how hybridizing spiders are bad.
i will let one of the more experience users deal with that
i just want to ask you one simple question
what good can come of hybridizing.
and to the OP
good job on letting it live
im interested to see what it looks like fully matured
ok here the deal with hybrids
they are bad for the hobby
because tarantulas aren't confusing enough
there are so many problems with
common name names hence why everyone uses scientific
names.
so with hybrids ther would be a plethora
of tarantulas no one
can identify
plus there is so many rare spiders
and possibility of getting ripped off by a dealer.
i dont want to go into too much detail
of how hybridizing spiders are bad.
i will let one of the more experience users deal with that
i just want to ask you one simple question
what good can come of hybridizing.
and to the OP
good job on letting it live
im interested to see what it looks like fully matured
Um, someone didn't do their homework before they decided to speak. A domesticated dog (Canis lupus familiaris) is a subspecies of the wolf (Canis lupus) - that is what trinomial nomenclature is. A chimp (Pan troglodytes) is in the same family (Hominidae) but it is a ways off from our genus (Homo).
This will help:
To say a human and a chimp are closer than a wolf and a dog is to say a tarantula and a scorpion are closer than a tarantula and a tarantula. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
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just asking questions...didn't know I needed a trip to the library to do that... i will just keep my mouth shut and do whatever I want without bad attitudes....didn't have an opinion about hybrids til now. I decided to support hybrids since I am just gonna get slammed.
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Hybrids generally are a product of captive care. In general, hybrids produced in captivity are due to people actively taking two species that would not breed with each other either because a) their ranges do not overlap or b) would not breed together in the wild due to behavioral or breeding behavior differences. We're not recreating something that would naturally occur in the wild when producing hybrids, we are unnaturally creating something that would never occur.
Besides, saying that hybridization would produce a "better" spider is ridiculous. Most hybrid attempts either result in mostly bad eggs or infertile offspring. We're talking about artificially 'forcing' different species to breed with each other. Making any connection between wanting to keep species intact and Hitler, interracial humans (which I am one), or dog breeds is so far-fetched as to be completely preposterous.