Epigastric furrow doesn’t look right?

lucyb663

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yeah, scab like. And its so dark too. I have been looking at molted skins for the last half hour and really have not come across anything like this yet.

keep that if you can. Could be helpful. Its very curious. Id definitely be looking at that in some kind of microscope.

do you have old photos of ventral shots? Maybe clues to be found.
I’ll definitely look! Her last molt in July ‘24 looked totally normal as far as I could tell. I feel like I don’t have many ventral shots since then because I sexed the last molt. It must have happened sometime in between.
I’ll try to get my hands on something to magnify that area of the molt!
 

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Update for anyone following:
Attempted feeding yesterday, she moved towards the prey, but didn’t go for it. I’ll try again in few days. I did catch her having a drink tonight though! I noticed a picture from about a month ago where her furrow area did look much darker than before.
I remember coming back from a trip in early October and she had a bald strip on her abdomen, so I’m speculating that the damage to the epigastric furrow may have happened around the same time. I didn’t really think much about it at the time.
I pulled everything out of the enclosure except the water dish and cork bark hide (which I pulled another inch away from the side of the enclosure since she likes to use both ends as entrances).
I’ll update again soon!
 

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That's a split, she's hurt herself post moult, I know because my irminia came with a similar wound on top of the abdomen where it connects to the carapace, the abdomen skin had torn away from the carapace. Watch for leaking if she bleeds put cornflour on the area but as ppl said above be careful not to touch her lungs, make sure her water dish is full at all times she will drink alot to combat this, if you can move her to a much smaller viv that restricts movement and doesn’t allow her to climb much do it, if you can't put a thick layer of sphagnum moss on top of her sub, you do not want her moving about catching the wound or falling n hurting herself again, make her viv as basic as possible. It's OK to feed her but pre killed and do not give her to much you don't want her stretching that out n making it worse. This is what I did n my girl pulled through and is now living her best irminia life, hopefully your girl will do the same.

Please do not give up on her, if she is trying so should you.


Hopefully it may help you or just give you hope, my experience with a split on my t.
 

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Here's my post on a similar injury
 

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That's a split, she's hurt herself post moult, I know because my irminia came with a similar wound on top of the abdomen where it connects to the carapace, the abdomen skin had torn away from the carapace. Watch for leaking if she bleeds put cornflour on the area but as ppl said above be careful not to touch her lungs, make sure her water dish is full at all times she will drink alot to combat this, if you can move her to a much smaller viv that restricts movement and doesn’t allow her to climb much do it, if you can't put a thick layer of sphagnum moss on top of her sub, you do not want her moving about catching the wound or falling n hurting herself again, make her viv as basic as possible. It's OK to feed her but pre killed and do not give her to much you don't want her stretching that out n making it worse. This is what I did n my girl pulled through and is now living her best irminia life, hopefully your girl will do the same.

Please do not give up on her, if she is trying so should you.


Hopefully it may help you or just give you hope, my experience with a split on my t.
Thank you so much! She’s very bolty and I’m still a little sketched out with rehousings, but I’ll definitely try to work up the nerve to move her into something smaller if that will help!
No signs of leaking/bleeding. It’s dry and hasn’t changed since.
I’ll do my very best to help her get through this! And thank you so much for your advice!

Here's my post on a similar injury
Thank you so much for sharing this!

Here's my post on a similar injury
Yours looks very similar to how mine is. Pale skin with dark brown flecks. Dry, no signs of leaking.
I’m hoping she’ll heal herself with the next molt. Your story makes me feel very hopeful!
 
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Has yours molted yet? And if so, is she back to normal?
Yours looks very similar to how mine is. Pale skin with dark brown flecks. Dry, no signs of leaking.
Unfortunately no it does not look normal yet, this is a couple year project in the making.

She has molted a few times...her progress did not appear to be linear...bleeding after one molt, the next molt her book lung appeared to be exposed but no bleeding.

The best advice I was given was to feed sparingly to help keep her abdomen size down...as to not encourage a rupture...that would likely be game over for her.

She's hungry all the time but she's still with me and acting healthy as can be. ❤

She's in a somewhat shallow container to discourage climbing...she has about 1x DLS to the ceiling. And a hide she's never used.

I am also generous with the overwatering, since her external organs are exposed, I have to assume she is dessicating faster than normal, and since they get most of their moisture from eating, it's the best I can do for her. I always keep a moist quarter of the tank, rotating each week to make sure it dries...I would not want to encourage fungal growth. In many animals, fungus can infect the lungs...I may be too paranoid but I play it safe.
 

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I've seen this before. I agree with all of these posts and the advice that you're getting.

It appears that this exact same thing happened to one of my females almost 20 years ago, when I didn't yet appreciate the dangers of overfeeding.
I had Pampho spiderlings hatched from the same sac that I wanted to breed. I was power feeding (i.e., overfeeding) the females to speed their maturation, while feeding their brothers sparingly to delay maturation, with the intention of getting mature females by the time their brothers had their ultimate molts.

One of my power-fed females had this problem. I believe it was an injury sustained to the fragile area between the pedicel and the epigastric furrow, at a timepoint right before she molted. I think this injury didn't have time to heal before the molt. She recovered after a long time. That area of the exoskeleton became normal over the next ~3 molts, but it did take a little over 2 years.
I agree with the advice that you're getting. Don't overfeed. Treat her gently. Make sure she can't fall too far, and that all enclosure furniture is soft. Keep water available.

My female was fine in the long run, but she missed out on all the incest her sisters got. An injury to protect her virtue seemed a fair trade, a good outcome. I wish the same for you. 🌈
 
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I've seen this before. I agree with all of these posts and the advice that you're getting.

It appears that this exact same thing happened to one of my females almost 20 years ago, when I didn't yet appreciate the dangers of overfeeding.
I had Pampho spiderlings hatched from the same sac that I wanted to breed. I was power feeding (i.e. overfeeding) the females to speed their maturation, while feeding their brothers sparingly to delay maturation, with the intention of getting mature females by the time their brothers had their ultimate molts.

One of my power-fed females had this problem. I believe it was an injury sustained to the fragile area between the pedicel and the epigastric furrow, at a timepoint right before she molted. I think this injury didn't have time to heal before the molt. She recovered after a long time. That area of the exoskeleton became normal over the next ~3 molts, but it did take a little over 2 years.
I agree with the advice that you're getting. Don't overfeed. Treat her gently. Make sure she can't fall too far, and that all enclosure furniture is soft. Keep water available.

My female was fine in the long run, but she missed out on all the incest her sisters got. An injury to protect her virtue seemed a fair trade, a good outcome. I wish the same for you. 🌈
I’m so glad to hear that your female recovered from this! Luckily, my young lady isn’t a big eater anyway, so we shouldn’t have any issues with her overeating anyways. Fingers crossed for her that she molts successfully next time and shows improvement!

Unfortunately no it does not look normal yet, this is a couple year project in the making.

She has molted a few times...her progress did not appear to be linear...bleeding after one molt, the next molt her book lung appeared to be exposed but no bleeding.

The best advice I was given was to feed sparingly to help keep her abdomen size down...as to not encourage a rupture...that would likely be game over for her.

She's hungry all the time but she's still with me and acting healthy as can be. ❤

She's in a somewhat shallow container to discourage climbing...she has about 1x DLS to the ceiling. And a hide she's never used.

I am also generous with the overwatering, since her external organs are exposed, I have to assume she is dessicating faster than normal, and since they get most of their moisture from eating, it's the best I can do for her. I always keep a moist quarter of the tank, rotating each week to make sure it dries...I would not want to encourage fungal growth. In many animals, fungus can infect the lungs...I may be too paranoid but I play it safe.
I’m sorry that your girl is still struggling with that!
I added more substrate to mine’s enclosure and removed decorations, so hopefully that helps discourage climbing.
It’s been so helpful hearing other people’s stories about similar situations.
When I first saw this I searched google for hours and couldn’t find anything that sounded close to the problem she has.
 

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Thank you so much! She’s very bolty and I’m still a little sketched out with rehousings, but I’ll definitely try to work up the nerve to move her into something smaller if that will help!
No signs of leaking/bleeding. It’s dry and hasn’t changed since.
I’ll do my very best to help her get through this! And thank you so much for your advice!


Thank you so much for sharing this!


Yours looks very similar to how mine is. Pale skin with dark brown flecks. Dry, no signs of leaking.
I’m hoping she’ll heal herself with the next molt. Your story makes me feel very hopeful!
It's np I remember how much I panicked, it's one of my worst ever experiences with a tarantula, I wouldn't want anyone to go through that. My girls split was on her side and did heal up on the surface but to this day she often sits with her abdomen pulled to one side away from the wound even though the flesh is healed but its seems to be the only effect shes had from it. Her's also wasn't as severe as your girls but between myself and @fcat hopefully we have atleast given hope that your floofer can survive this. She will just need special care for a while.
If you are worried about the rehousing just try and restrict her actions in her current viv, as I said well placed thick soft moss will cushion her if she falls and also take some of her climbing room , try and take out anything that isn't necessary, less stuff in there less she has to catch on and hurt herself more. Although placing a clear catch cup over her to move her is still your best option, if you can't do it or are frightened you might hurt her more from her bolts you still have that option to just "baby proof" the viv she's in .

Also just as an afterthought when you feed her use prekilled so there is no struggle or risk of injury. Apart from those n keeping her waterdish full there isn't much else to do, it will be down to her after that, but her bolting away from you a good sign. Have hope and gl with your little floofer, I hope the next update is a good one 🤞🤞🤞
 

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It's np I remember how much I panicked, it's one of my worst ever experiences with a tarantula, I wouldn't want anyone to go through that. My girls split was on her side and did heal up on the surface but to this day she often sits with her abdomen pulled to one side away from the wound even though the flesh is healed but its seems to be the only effect shes had from it. Her's also wasn't as severe as your girls but between myself and @fcat hopefully we have atleast given hope that your floofer can survive this. She will just need special care for a while.
If you are worried about the rehousing just try and restrict her actions in her current viv, as I said well placed thick soft moss will cushion her if she falls and also take some of her climbing room , try and take out anything that isn't necessary, less stuff in there less she has to catch on and hurt herself more. Although placing a clear catch cup over her to move her is still your best option, if you can't do it or are frightened you might hurt her more from her bolts you still have that option to just "baby proof" the viv she's in .

Also just as an afterthought when you feed her use prekilled so there is no struggle or risk of injury. Apart from those n keeping her waterdish full there isn't much else to do, it will be down to her after that, but her bolting away from you a good sign. Have hope and gl with your little floofer, I hope the next update is a good one 🤞🤞🤞
I’ve already pulled out all decorations and added some more substrate so hopefully that will help her!
I’m thinking this is more likely healing damage from before the molt. A few comments back I posted pictures of the molt and the epigastric furrow area is dark brown and shiny. It’s very strange.
But all of you have given me hope that she’ll be ok with time!
Thank you again!
 

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The black within the exuvia makes me think it might be a cyst.

This is the best example I've found, made by our very own @Liquifin


Also the best footage I've seen of the "heartbeat" ❤
 

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The black within the exuvia makes me think it might be a cyst.

This is the best example I've found, made by our very own @Liquifin


Also the best footage I've seen of the "heartbeat" ❤
That’s so cool (not for the tarantula of course)! Thank you for sharing!!
 

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Im glad we are getting more info and pictures from other members in this thread. It helps clump things together that are hard to search for.
 
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