dyskinetic syndrome

[Fince]

Hm ...very interesting and edifying discussion.

I spoke some experienced Hun. spiderkeeper in this case but we guessed only.

We saw, anything obstacle to the spider's nervous system.... :?

We thought, probably the mouses' fodder contain insecticide/mitecide or fungitoxin (Aspergillus..etc.)-these spiders are ate mouses before illness. :?

Unforunately the "story" always ended in death

Here is my friend's low quality photo from his misadventurous T. blondi.

 

[Spider-man 2]

I definately believe that it is something that attacks the nervous system. Hence all the twitching and not be able to stand fully upright.

 

[Apocalypstick]

Martin. I've only seen it once to a mature male. I would assume you've seen it happen in both sexes right?


There is a difference that I have seen between this and a pesticide death.

From the 2 pesticide deaths that I have seen 2 of the symptoms were aggressiveness and the inability to control the limbs. Normally docile t's became very aggressive and when prodded would only be able to stumble around. They died within a few days.

The 2 that died from pesticides were probably from crickets that were fed lettuce about 30 minutes before they were eaten. I now really wash anything very well and try to buy certified pesticide free. I can’t say for sure if the lettuce was the cause of death though bet better safe then sorry for now.

Boy, I bet this hits the nail right on the head! Feeding cricks, mice, rats.etc that have been fed or eaten gawd knows what. Pesticides, as said, affect the nervous system... this seems so obvious as a cause when this occurs in a T that has been healthy.

I will scrub every carrot, lettuce leaf, potato, or anything else I feed my cricks from now on. As far as pinkies, I'll be damn careful where I get them.

 

[Bearo]

could you guys who posted video clips before make them online again perhaps?

 

[Jakob]

Here I was thinking that it was old age, but she's not even old.

What is her age?

 

[Spider-man 2]

What is her age?

No more then 5-6 years

 

[Dark Raptor]

My B. albopilosum have the same symptoms right now. She molted 2 days ago, and after 24 h she started to shake and curling her legs. She was very active, but had problems with move coordination. Now she is almost dead. She doesn't response for anything. I can take and touch her, like doll. I didn't notice any dammages on her body after molting, it looks that her nervous system has been attacked by venom of Hymenoptera parasitoid (but of course it is impossible).
She ate last time 2 weeks ago, so it looks different from other cases. Heh... this is terrible.
Before molt, I've been giving her only mealworms (Tenebrio molitor).

 

[Jakob]

No more then 5-6 years

How do you know?

 

[Spider-man 2]

How do you know?

Why all the questions? Is this going somewhere?

 

[Jakob]

Why all the questions? Is this going somewhere?

You don't know, do you?

 

[Spider-man 2]

You don't know, do you?

Yes, I do. I got her from my friend who used to work for Taranulas.com where she was raised and hatched sometime between late 1999 and early 2000.

I thought T. blondi had a longer life span then 5-6 years anyway...

 

[Jakob]

Yes, I do. I got her from my friend who used to work for Taranulas.com where she was raised and hatched sometime between late 1999 and early 2000.

I thought T. blondi had a longer life span then 5-6 years anyway...

Oh okay - I'm glad to hear she's captive bred!

 

[Spider-man 2]

Yep! Me too!

 

[Tranz]

Sort of a Mad Chirp Disease.

 

[Cory Loomis]

Martin-
Has anyone checked for stachybotris or aspergillus molds? My understanding, which is very limited, is that both of these can have significant impact, especially stachybotris. It produces a potent neurotoxin, and does it in pretty short order. My experience with this diskinetic syndrome has always been associated with mold in the enclosure, (though not all instances of mold produced the syndrome). I have lost two L. parahybana slings, an A. purpurea, and currently am struggling with a small A. bicoloratum. An A. geniculata (3") and an A. brocklehursti seem to have pulled through it. If the animal makes it to a molt, the symptoms post-molt appear to be reduced, if present.

 

[MizM]

Knowing that she's captive-bred rules out a plethora of things that could have been picked up in the wild.

Perhaps testing should also be done on the ENCLOSURE that these guys are kept in. That mold question is excellent, but would it affect the nervous system or just clog up the book lungs?

I personally believe something is coming in with the crix I buy. I ALWAYS find little parasites on them and in their Kricket Keeper. I seem to waste a lot of cash on corrupted crix!!

 

[Cory Loomis]

My understanding of molds is limited, at best, but I have been told that stachybotris molds produce a neurotoxin that affects the central nervous system. Aspergillus molds, and probably a host of others, affect respiratory systems.

 

[Martin H.]

Hi,

in this thread >>click here<< someone posted this nasty video >>click here<< (4 MB) of an A. geniculata male with big problems. According to the owner of the male, the video is not played faster – the male IS shaking and struggling that quick and hectical!

all the best,
Martin

 

[MizM]

Hi,

in this thread >>click here<< someone posted this nasty video >>click here<< (4 MB) of an A. geniculata male with big problems. According to the owner of the male, the video is not played faster – the male IS shaking and struggling that quick and hectical!

all the best,
Martin

I'd like to hear YOUR thoughts on this one, Martin!

I've only seen Ts move that fast when trying to escape from something or when trying to capture something. Even then, they are only short bursts. When "sick", they seem to conserve their energy. Could a neurological disease of some kind produce this wild thrashing?

 

[Spider-man 2]

Hmmm very similar to what happened to some of my Ts when I had "The Masscare" in my room. They died soon after I saw this behavior.