How can someone be this ignorant? I don't care anymore, just happily use your frontline but don't come crying because half of your collection is dead. I've got experiences and paperwork on cases with frontline.
I'm out.
Dyskenetic Syndrome - A Complete Record of an Outbreak
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Wow... Flying just really let us have it. I feel like I might even deserve a spanking now... or at least a time-out.
Somebody hold me please... I don't want to be alone right now...
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Anyway... does anyone know where you can order Program from? Our local clinic where we take our cats doesn't carry it, and we've got a major major flea outbreak. It's awful. We've been washing every fabric item we own... we've been using an herbal flea repellent around furniture... we used frontline 3 weeks ago on three of our cats (it didn't really do much), but the fourth is allergic and so far has only been able to use herbal flea treatments and combings... she's been locked in the bathroom and her hair is falling out because she is also allergic to fleas... It's a bad scene, not to mention we are both itchy as well, and they're driving us nuts.
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My my, picking a fight are we? ;P Do you have a PhD in epidemiology? Have you published a double blinded placebo controlled study or are you referring to anecdotal information?
And precisely WHICH part of this are we claiming is ignorance? It seems like a waste of time to blindly refute the entire thing, esp. since I'm not seeing the actual evidence (love to see yours, please just point me in the direction).
Epidemiology doesn't fit a chronic exposure, which is what small level fomite transmission would be. There was an interesting point made in changes in formulation in another post, a valid potential point to be sure, although I certainly haven't heard of anything and I'm in a prime position to have (just having spoken with a primary researcher on the product 6 weeks ago). Said researcher (who has zero actual interest in the product, he researchers most of the new products that come out, and is happy to share deleterious info with us) has also made the very clear point numerous times that it's not a repellant (and seriously, you'd have to be a moron to see the product in action and think it repels).
Oh, you're the "strongest household pesticides" give me a break dude. Define "strongest" for me because that's not an actual scientific term, hum? We need some frame of reference for (you know, like, "least mg/kg required for LD50 for (fill in blank) species) this. Otherwise I'm thinking the strongest household pesticide is the claw hammer I *could* use to whack a spider (in my prior ignorant arachnophobic days
) Hey, it was "cidal" to "pests"!!!Remember, I'm one who offered ALTERNATIVES. And I'd LOVE to share some of Frontline's less positive sides: just PM me 'cause nobody else wants to read the list.
But dang dude, I love my Frontline and I will darned well use it as much as I want and recommend it as much as I want....and my T's seem to be living fine.
How 'bout we not jump to conclusions without facts? 'Cause if we do, and we're wrong, it takes that much longer to figure out the REAL reason. And T's DIE in the meantime.
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Ego stroking and pissing contests. Gotta love them.
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Alright... I know I responded fairly sarcastically to Flying, and now runnergirl has let him have it as well...
I'm gonna suggest that we leave it at that. In interest of this thread not going the way so many do on these boards... with someone posting 'cause their pets are sick or injured and they're really concerned... and then suddenly a bunch of people who don't have dying pets start fighting over nonsense...
Yeah... we might disagree, but lets try to be civil.
I really don't want to see this thread turn into a bunch of people yelling and insulting each other.
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I'm gonna suggest that we leave it at that. In interest of this thread not going the way so many do on these boards... with someone posting 'cause their pets are sick or injured and they're really concerned... and then suddenly a bunch of people who don't have dying pets start fighting over nonsense...
Yeah... we might disagree, but lets try to be civil.
I really don't want to see this thread turn into a bunch of people yelling and insulting each other.
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Damn well I have to say there is a pretty easy but unspeakable way to solve your problem( dont worry its not kill the cats ) the first thing you have to do is locate the source If you have reptiles fleas LOOOOVE Unchanged reptile bedding just a possibility then remove the source I e bedding or whatever it may be Its not winter so you cant freeze them to death your only option is to shampoo and remove all cats Then remove all your T enclosures replace the bedding bug bomb the crap out of your house ( without the Ts in it of coarse) wait two weeks just to be safe and move them back in Dont crucify me its just what I would do
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I'm not sure who I'm gonna get to babysit 40-50+ spiders...
We have been vaccuuming like crazy, and I'm gonna try to get some of that oral flea killer... and in wash everything we own... and possibly toss some of our furniture and head over to the thrift store and drop a couple hundred bucks on "new" stuff...
We're surely getting desperate here. One kitten is being given away... a stray that I took in, and will be going to a good home next week (I'm bummed, 'cause she's the only cat I actually like).
I think we're gonna see if we can kill the fleas without a bomb, 'cause that's something I'm pretty nervous about with all the spiders...
anyway... this is getting REALLY off topic though...
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Yeah, I got carried awayEgo stroking and pissing contests. Gotta love them.
Sorry Sherry
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I have a friend in philly that might do it but yea i dont really know how long for so I wish you the best of luck
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http://www.drsfostersmith.com carries frontline. Cat products or Dog products under flea and tick. I've also used it in the past to buy frontline or advantage (advantage for my friends indoor/outdoor cat, frontline plus for another friend's hunting dog who kept getting into an area of bushes that left her covered in fleas and a few ticks on a daily basis (despite regular baths and manual removal...).
There is also information available about it on that webpage if you want to review it with your vet first. The products offical webpage is: http://www.program.novartis.us/ and probably has more info. This may be good if anyone interested in it has pets on other things to make sure they don't conflict.
A google search for 'program flea' also seemed to return a few hits, though I can't speak from personal experience about the stores/sites listed...
Hope that helps for anyone looking into this!
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I think your response was justified, and we both agree that the best option (before giving away cats, dogs, or T's) is to get one of the dead/sick T's to someone that can determine the true cause of the problem. Getting someone to babysit 40+ T's probably isn't that hard, but as we can see from the OP the possibility of exposure to an 'unknown' agent should nix that idea. A frozen specimen (two preferably) shipped with a little dry ice to a willing expert, factual information returned from said expert saying x,y,z caused the death or deaths unrelated accomplishes much more than 'I think this or that caused it'. You'll not often see nasty comments here but many folks will assume that your low post number equates you as a newbie (and in "keeping" T's that may be true) but also more folks will learn your education and vocation makes you somewhat of an expert. I know I'm glad your here and I'll pay attention to your 'opinions' more than I might others. rock on :worship: .Yeah, I got carried away
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Just so we're clear, it's the OP who's dealing with Dskenetic Syndrome... our house is just infested with fleas... and runnergirl has been offering some great advice on dealing with them (she's a vet).
I'd love to meet your friend here in Philly, if nothing more than just to hang out and talk spiders. I think it's a little early to ask someone to take our Ts for a little while. I think we're gonna try an oral treatment for the cats, and try to do a really good cleaning of the house.
Overall, I think this thread is getting really off-topic (as tends to happen here). I'd love an update from the OP as to how their spiders are doing, and if the problem seems to be spreading.
I'll start a new thread on the topic of fleas and Ts, and anyone who wants to discuss options can join me there.
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I'd love to meet your friend here in Philly, if nothing more than just to hang out and talk spiders. I think it's a little early to ask someone to take our Ts for a little while. I think we're gonna try an oral treatment for the cats, and try to do a really good cleaning of the house.
Overall, I think this thread is getting really off-topic (as tends to happen here). I'd love an update from the OP as to how their spiders are doing, and if the problem seems to be spreading.
I'll start a new thread on the topic of fleas and Ts, and anyone who wants to discuss options can join me there.
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I totally agree with you, I also was trying to get the thread back on topic.
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This is an excellent documentation of a mysterious, tragic event. Hopefully, this will help in unraveling the mystery.
I agree with the poster who questioned the possibility of a mold and mildew problem. I had similar massive die off years ago, and only uncovered the probable culprit in the wall much later-we had a mildew problem, and Stachybotrys was one of the mildews. Both of our indoor cats were treated (somewhat sporadically) with Frontline for years with no problems. They would even get up on the shelves with the T's. If the Frontline were responsible, I believe the T's would have died years sooner.
I agree with the poster who questioned the possibility of a mold and mildew problem. I had similar massive die off years ago, and only uncovered the probable culprit in the wall much later-we had a mildew problem, and Stachybotrys was one of the mildews. Both of our indoor cats were treated (somewhat sporadically) with Frontline for years with no problems. They would even get up on the shelves with the T's. If the Frontline were responsible, I believe the T's would have died years sooner.