Dolomedes sp. ID

[catfishrod69]

Found 3 of these on a tree tonight. Right now im in NC on vacation. Have had a hard time finding anything. No widows, no K. hibernalis. It just rained today, and after dark i found these on a tree. Didnt find any on any other trees though. I tried researching to pin the species, but cant quite get it. Definitely not tenebrosus, as i already have those. These are really grey colored, but the pics dont show that well. Thanks for any help.


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[Silberrücken]

May I have the honor of ID'ing this?

Dolomedes albineus.

Lovely spiders, indeed, catfish... take 'em home with you! :biggrin:

 

[catfishrod69]

Always happy when you chime in. I was really leaning towards this species, but the pics i seen of them, looked like they were mossy. Kinda like how mossy leaf tail geckos look. But im happy you set it in concrete for me. They are definitely on their way to ohio next week. Thanks alot.

May I have the honor of ID'ing this?

Dolomedes albineus.

Lovely spiders, indeed, catfish... take 'em home with you! :biggrin:

 

[Ciphor]

I agree with Silberrücken on the ID.

To be certain though, D. albineus is the only fishing spider with curved hairs which you can see really well in this example http://bugguide.net/node/view/248046/bgimage

 

[catfishrod69]

Thanks. I will have to get a closer look at them.

I agree with Silberrücken on the ID.

To be certain though, D. albineus is the only fishing spider with curved hairs which you can see really well in this example http://bugguide.net/node/view/248046/bgimage

---------- Post added 05-14-2012 at 05:24 PM ----------

Just found this guy in a store. Caught him, took him to get some pics, then released him. I remember seeing something on this species recently, but cant remember what it was.


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[Silberrücken]

catfish, always a pleasure to help you out!

Your newest find is a MM Kukulcania hibernalis. These are always easily identified by their amazingly long pedipalps.

As for the Dolomedes: Trust me, they are all albineus. ;-)

 

[catfishrod69]

Thanks Silber. MM K. hibernalis, oh no that sucks. I am dieing to find a female or two. Cant find them anywhere. Been checking old garages and havent seen any. I do remember the thread where the male had those long pedipalps. Thanks for IDing him. Kinda wish i had kept him incase i find a female. I found 5 more of the albineus last night.

 

[loxoscelesfear]

Nice D. albineus.The biggest D. tenebrosus I ever did see was under a a house in NC. Mature male hibernalis do not eat to my knowledge. They will survive for 6 months or so though. Females will not be far. Look for the tel-tell dusty black hole funnel webs they construct. I found mine in city parks around picnic shelters and similar structures. Rest areas throughout the south are good places for K. hibernalis, Scytodes, and widows.

 

[catfishrod69]

Thanks. I have found 9 now. I had a 3" female D. tenebrosus that i caught back home (ohio). She mated with a mm i found, and gave me 3 sacs. Well unfortunately i let the mm hibernalis go. After he was ID'd, i should of kept him incase i find a female. The places i have been looking so far for hibernalis and widows, is around the house im staying at. Mainly through old barns, around debri, in crawl spaces. I couldnt have really looked around in the place i found the mm, it was in a retail store, crawling across the floor.

Nice D. albineus.The biggest D. tenebrosus I ever did see was under a a house in NC. Mature male hibernalis do not eat to my knowledge. They will survive for 6 months or so though. Females will not be far. Look for the tel-tell dusty black hole funnel webs they construct. I found mine in city parks around picnic shelters and similar structures. Rest areas throughout the south are good places for K. hibernalis, Scytodes, and widows.

---------- Post added 05-15-2012 at 05:09 PM ----------

Here are some new finds.

H. marginata? I thought these were from florida?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/catfishrod69/DSCF3850.jpg

Gorgeous jumper.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/catfishrod69/DSCF3846.jpg

Trapdoor w/out the door?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/catfishrod69/DSCF3855.jpg

 

[Ciphor]

As for the Dolomedes: Trust me, they are all albineus. ;-)

No one was debating that either. I was simply showing him how he can easily and positively ID them in the future. Teach a man to fish...

 

[zonbonzovi]

H. marginata? I thought these were from florida?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/catfishrod69/DSCF3850.jpg

Floridians want everything for themselves lol. These range over much of the SE, even into TX, IN and I'd bet more N. than records indicate.

 

[Silberrücken]

No one was debating that either. I was simply showing him how he can easily and positively ID them in the future. Teach a man to fish...

Ciphor, my comment was not meant to offend. Your link was actually helpful, btw. I have seen D. alb. that would make a Curly-hair jealous, LOL.

catfish, you are finding a greaat variety of life!!! The centipede I can't help with, as those are not my forte.

Your jumper is a "You MUST take it home!!!!!" jumper - she is a GORGEOUS Phidippus otiosus orange-phase. She looks gravid too, which would be a very nice bonus for you. ;-)

3rd spider - this is a burrowing Wolf spider. I can't make out enough details to ID it tho.

Very nice finds, catfish!!!!!

.......... ............. I want that P. oti..... ............. LOL

 

[Ciphor]

I took no offense, on the contrary, I was retorting only because I thought you had taken offense to my post after yours.

No worries though. ^_~

 

[catfishrod69]

Haha thanks. I remember reading somewhere here very recently one was found in IN or somewhere close. Ill probably turn this little guy loose.

Floridians want everything for themselves lol. These range over much of the SE, even into TX, IN and I'd bet more N. than records indicate.

---------- Post added 05-15-2012 at 07:35 PM ----------

Im pretty sure the pede is a H. marginata. Not my forte either.

Thanks for the jumper ID. She is so beautiful, and yes does look gravid. I have been trying to find some more of these. If i do, you will be the first to know. Jumpers are kinda hard to find. Like, when you look for them, and know the places they usually prefer, they are nowhere to be found. But the times you find them, is at random, unexpected. I found her webbed inside that piece of loose bark, i was pulling off the bark to place in with the Dolomedes. Haha.

Are you sure on the burrowing wolf spiders? I just dug up 4 more. Total of 14 female, and 2 MM. Being that they are gonna turn out wolfies, ill just let them go. These ones sure act like trapdoors. Especially when my digging tools get within fangs reach haha.

catfish, you are finding a greaat variety of life!!! The centipede I can't help with, as those are not my forte.

Your jumper is a "You MUST take it home!!!!!" jumper - she is a GORGEOUS Phidippus otiosus orange-phase. She looks gravid too, which would be a very nice bonus for you. ;-)

3rd spider - this is a burrowing Wolf spider. I can't make out enough details to ID it tho.

Very nice finds, catfish!!!!!

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[Ciphor]

I agree on the third image, definitely a wolf spider. Wolf spiders are the only species with the PLE (posterior lateral eye) positioned on the side like that. The only species globally that comes close are Dolomedes. Not even false wolf spiders have the eye far back like that. No Mygalomorphs (trapdoors, tarantulas, etc.) have eyes like that, they instead have a clustered group of eyes.

I'd even go so far as to guess the genus: Geolycosa - Burrowing wolf spiders (not all wolf spiders that burrow are in this family btw, Hogna for example burrow)

http://bugguide.net/node/view/586357/bgimage

 

[catfishrod69]

Yeah i agree its a wolfie. Was hoping not, but oh well. Ill probably let all of them go tomorrow. What else i never thought of, was the sideways facing fangs. After a female latched hold of a stick, and wouldnt let go, it was a dead give-away. Thanks.

I agree on the third image, definitely a wolf spider. Wolf spiders are the only species with the PLE (posterior lateral eye) positioned on the side like that. The only species globally that comes close are Dolomedes. Not even false wolf spiders have the eye far back like that. No Mygalomorphs (trapdoors, tarantulas, etc.) have eyes like that, they instead have a clustered group of eyes.

I'd even go so far as to guess the genus: Geolycosa - Burrowing wolf spiders (not all wolf spiders that burrow are in this family btw, Hogna for example burrow)

http://bugguide.net/node/view/586357/bgimage

---------- Post added 05-15-2012 at 10:49 PM ----------

Are you sure she is a orange phase? I tried looking at these pics on bug guide for comparison. http://bugguide.net/node/view/27094

Also, where do you suggest i look for more? Im not having much luck finding them. Thanks.

Your jumper is a "You MUST take it home!!!!!" jumper - she is a GORGEOUS Phidippus otiosus orange-phase.

 

[AmysAnimals]

I can never find any interesting spiders out here. I guess I am not looking hard enough. I know they are out here! lol I know we have tarantulas and such in the desert. I found that sac spider, but the most I see are widows and widows freak me out lol I would love to find more spiders like jumping spiders and such.

You have found some awesome spiders there, and a cool centipede!

 

[loxoscelesfear]

H. marginata? I thought these were from florida?
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d29/catfishrod69/DSCF3850.jpg

I just collected one over the weekend in Indiana. I have found several in Indiana over the last couple of years. But yes, I always found them in FL and will always associate them with Florida.

 

[catfishrod69]

Well keep trying. Im sure there are some awesome species there. Widows are actually very fun to keep. They are super low maintanence. Thanks.

I can never find any interesting spiders out here. I guess I am not looking hard enough. I know they are out here! lol I know we have tarantulas and such in the desert. I found that sac spider, but the most I see are widows and widows freak me out lol I would love to find more spiders like jumping spiders and such.

You have found some awesome spiders there, and a cool centipede!

---------- Post added 05-16-2012 at 12:29 AM ----------

Thats cool. I am debating on keeping him, but not sure. Im not really into the moisture loving ones anymore. I think my S. polymorpha will have to do. I cant believe i havent found any female K. hibernalis, widows, or lynx spiders.

I just collected one over the weekend in Indiana. I have found several in Indiana over the last couple of years. But yes, I always found them in FL and will always associate them with Florida.

 

[loxoscelesfear]

I cant believe i havent found any female K. hibernalis, widows, or lynx spiders.

widows are just about anywhere. check debris piles and trash along roads. i find them in gas meter pits when at gas stations. lids usually come off. Lynx are in shrubs and bushes with flowers where they ambush insects, even bees larger than the spider itself. find anything else, post some pics. sorry for hijacking this thread into a "How's your Carolina trip going?"