Dogs vs Cats - Which is smarter?

[cold blood]

I realize this is a subject near and dear to many, but may I please ask that we attempt to keep our contributions more along the lines of the scientific?

I don't see a direct relationship between adaptability and intelligent...using that as a basis, cockroaches are more intelligent than man.

Dogs working in packs, now that shows innate intelligence, actually because of this they are actually more successful predators, not less. Alone, you're right they are not nearly as effective, but that's not how dogs typically live or hunt, they clearly recognize the advantages that can be gained by working together. Now some big cats do this to, but with dogs, they actually take turns and rotate in and out of the kill to keep fresh legs on the prey at all times, something I do not believe big cats do. I've read that wild African dogs have the highest success rate amongst all of Africa's predators. That social interaction however, is what I see as a clear sign of superior intelligence.

 

[pyro fiend]

When was the last time you saw a seeing eye cat, or a bomb sniffing cat, or a rescue cat or a drug sniffing cat? The last time I saw any of those was never.

this indeed proves bacon [pigs] are even smarter then cats.. i always knew there was a reason i liked pet pigs almost as much as i love my own dogs XD

 

[The Snark]

I don't see a direct relationship between adaptability and intelligent...using that as a basis, cockroaches are more intelligent than man.

Dogs working in packs, not that shows innate intelligence, actually because of this they are actually more successful predators, not less. Alone, you're right they are not nearly as effective, but that's not how dogs typically live or hunt, they clearly recognize the advantages that can be gained by working together. Now some big cats do this to, but with dogs, they actually take turns and rotate in and out of the kill to keep fresh legs on the prey at all times, something I do not believe big cats do. I've read that wild African dogs have the highest success rate amongst all of Africa's predators. That social interaction however, is what I see as a clear sign of superior intelligence.

Intelligence: the ability to perceive information and retain it as knowledge for applying to itself or other instances of knowledge or information, thereby creating referable understanding models of any size, density, or complexity, due to any conscious or subconscious imposed will or instruction to do so.

Canine intelligence. See the reference in the very first sentence on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_intelligence

Simplified example: Adaptability (per hominids)+ intelligence=Homosapien. Adaptability (per a cockroach) W/O Intelligence=A cockroach.

 

[cold blood]

Intelligence: the ability to perceive information and retain it as knowledge for applying to itself or other instances of knowledge or information, thereby creating referable understanding models of any size, density, or complexity, due to any conscious or subconscious imposed will or instruction to do so.

Simplified example: Adaptability (per hominids)+ intelligence=Homosapien. Adaptability (per a cockroach) W/O Intelligence=A cockroach.

The definition says nothing about adaptability, that's your implication/point of view.

Your next line puts adaptability PLUS intelligence to make your point....add intelligence? Right, adaptability means oop: without actual intelligence....so adaptability isn't unto its self, intelligence. Without the intelligence, that adaptability is meaningless, like in the case of the roach.

 

[Galapoheros]

this indeed proves bacon [pigs] are even smarter then cats.. i always knew there was a reason i liked pet pigs almost as much as i love my own dogs XD

"Pigs outperform 3-year-old human children on cognition tests and are smarter than any domestic animal, and animal experts consider them more trainable than cats or dogs." OT a little I know, but you know, what happens is others go google it and come back with info they just read much of the time. Interesting to talk about but if people just google 'cats vs dogs, intelligence' and 'pigs smarter than dogs', it's all just a few seconds away. I did go to a wildlife management thingy this year and they said the same thing, it was about feral hogs. The guy giving the speech said that some studies show that pigs are noticeably smarter than dogs. He didn't go into context and examples though and I wanted to hear it. But, that's something to put in a search engine, would pop up in a few seconds "pigs intelligence test". Here's my common sense theory, kittens depend on their mother, the mother's instinct later is slap the older kittens away when the time comes, like my parents did(actually I really liked leaving the house), forcing independent instincts to kick in to survive, but humans continue babying the kittens to adulthood so they keep the kitten state of brain. The general canine's nature is to work with each within the pack during a lifetime, trying to figure out each other, communicate to figure out what is going on. That social nature is what we experience with dogs since we are social animals also, most of us anyway.

 

[Malhavoc's]

Dearest lovers of the feline persuasion. While I am of course supportive of your attempts to rationalize a cats independence with intelligence. I must clearly state that dogs have won this race by a mile, After all, they can now text http://textfromdog.tumblr.com/

 

[pyro fiend]

"Pigs outperform 3-year-old human children on cognition tests and are smarter than any domestic animal, and animal experts consider them more trainable than cats or dogs." OT a little I know, but you know, what happens is others go google it and come back with info they just read much of the time. Interesting to talk about but if people just google 'cats vs dogs, intelligence' and 'pigs smarter than dogs', it's all just a few seconds away.

i know pigs are smart ,thus why i brought it up lol ,i helped potty train some and teach tricks and there's some places that have mini potbelly seeing eye pigs [totally need one of those when i go blind] but i think this thread is more of a "what is your opinion" not a "who is actually smarter in a literal statement" but thats my 2cents... i will give you the babying kittens.. but then again some do that with dogs too and they never learn anything but their name and "go potty"... sooo.. wheres the next excuse?

i feel we mainly find dogs more intellectual due to their desire to please their owner, thus learning more tricks... but cows are rather smart, same with horses, even deer are smart to a degree, as once you earn their trust they love you, cats are kinda off on their own in most cases and only want attention on their times, to where almost any farm animal whos well taken care of will come by name and "hug you" play and etc.. they like to be praised, thus why we was able to domesticate them.. lol

the species of animal i believe does partake in its intelligence, as iv never met a smart ankle biter, at least not as smart as a lab, shep or farm dog.. but then again i have a pug, beagle wiener dog mix [tho shes big we guess theres lab or something too] and she knows hand gestures, depending on what i do she responds, and she knows how to read my body language, and slight movements can trigger different things, just like a pack leader giving her permission, if someone new comes into the house with a few movements i can make her go from hyper, to chill, snarl and back to laying down without a word.. on the other hand we have a pug we adopted a year or so back, and her only knows "go" and "potty"...he refuses to learn -.- even his name is foreign to him [well i guess in all fairness that wasnt always his name as he was a yr or so when we got him]

 

[windscorpions1]

Personally I think it might be with individual animals as far as intelligence goes....like my cat for example usually just sits there and does nothing all day while the dog (a little yappy min pin) is a clever little thing. Like we pit bells on the backdoor knob and were going to train him to ring the bells when he needed to go out. We didn't train him soon as we put them on the door he would ring them when he wanted to go out. Something to get someone's attention. And then there's the time I left a bag of chips on the coffee table. He rang those bells to go out and soon as I owned up that door he runs over to the table shoves his head in the bag and starts gobbleing everything up. Then there's the if he gets out into the neighbor's yards you have to bribe him in. Just personally I think it's all on the individual animal if their smart or not

 

[Chris LXXIX]

i know pigs are smart

Pigs are great truffles hunters, better than dogs in that.

 

[BobGrill]

I'd rather have a pig than a dog. Dogs are boring to me because so many people have them. This is one reason why I got into exotics in the first place. I like things that are "different" or "weird."

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[cold blood]

I like things that are "different" or "weird."

Dogs are like people, they are individuals and therefore, all different (same could be said for cats). There are also many breeds of vary rare and therefore extremely valuable dogs, moreso than even most exotics. :laugh:

I just don't see how popularity could make a dog boring, its a living, constantly interactive animal...they are active and keep you entertained and busy all the time....waaaaaaaaay more than ANY exotic available to most of us could ever dream to do IMO. :smile:

 

[Chris LXXIX]

I'd rather have a pig than a dog. Dogs are boring to me because so many people have them. This is one reason why I got into exotics in the first place. I like things that are "different" or "weird."

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Well.. let me tell you something about being, at least here, weird and different, Bob. I have a black, Italian hand made, wool and cashmere cloak i'd love to use when strong winter comes, with a black, big hat (made using soft rabbit hair). I can understand where Miyazaki took inspiration for his last PS4 one, "Bloodborne".. from Italian, and France, ancient dress code.
Here's mine:

http://www.tabarro.it/modelli/mercante/index.html

I'm, actually, when winter comes then, "different and weird" for the average Italian here. Even if are decades (i bought that at 18, i'm 36).
Only to ignorants. Ignorants who doesn't remember even what our history was.

Yeah.. old Ladies in their late 80 keep watching at me and scream something like: "Oh, my Father used to wear that! Such elegance" and other stuff but oh well.

The main reason is: i like that style. Nuff said. Not because others aren't into and i was the "first".

My Grandfather was a skilled pig owner and breeder here in the "Tuscany of the north" (go figure here where pigs are killed and then worked in every possible way, even creating that delicious "portable pork", better than chips, and impossible to translate in English btw ah ah).

Don't say that. Every animal is special, and able to understand love. Even T's, somewhat, in their way. There's too much people who have dogs, granted, and probably a lot of those doesn't even deserve them, like Pitbulls here, in the hands of bully retards who train those with tasers.

I can't anymore today have a dog, but damn i miss you Hooch (French Bouledogue) and Khagyr, my giant, Mastino Napoletano, so much :cry:

It's not a question about dogs, cats, or T's. Or other people. Or who's smarter. It's a question about love and warmth you give and receive. Those things aren't boring but IMO the essence of life.

Fu.. the people and their sheep acts. They're boring. Little things of life, emotions, are what really matters IMO.

 

[BobGrill]

Well.. let me tell you something about being, at least here, weird and different, Bob. I have a black, Italian hand made, wool and cashmere cloak i'd love to use when strong winter comes, with a black, big hat (made using soft rabbit hair). I can understand where Miyazaki took inspiration for his last PS4 one, "Bloodborne".. from Italian, and France, ancient dress code.
Here's mine:

http://www.tabarro.it/modelli/mercante/index.html

I'm, actually, when winter comes then, "different and weird" for the average Italian here. Even if are decades (i bought that at 18, i'm 36).
Only to ignorants. Ignorants who doesn't remember even what our history was.

Yeah.. old Ladies in their late 80 keep watching at me and scream something like: "Oh, my Father used to wear that! Such elegance" and other stuff but oh well.

The main reason is: i like that style. Nuff said. Not because others aren't into and i was the "first".

My Grandfather was a skilled pig owner and breeder here in the "Tuscany of the north" (go figure here where pigs are killed and then worked in every possible way, even creating that delicious "portable pork", better than chips, and impossible to translate in English btw ah ah).

Don't say that. Every animal is special, and able to understand love. Even T's, somewhat, in their way. There's too much people who have dogs, granted, and probably a lot of those doesn't even deserve them, like Pitbulls here, in the hands of bully retards who train those with tasers.

I can't anymore today have a dog, but damn i miss you Hooch (French Bouledogue) and Khagyr, my giant, Mastino Napoletano, so much :cry:

It's not a question about dogs, cats, or T's. Or other people. Or who's smarter. It's a question about love and warmth you give and receive. Those things aren't boring but IMO the essence of life.

Fu.. the people and their sheep acts. They're boring. Little things of life, emotions, are what really matters IMO.

I don't think you understood my point. It has nothing to with love, emotion,affection, etc. I'm not a dog person for many reasons, despite having grown up in a house with one. The biggest reason being I don't like animals that make lots of noise. Dogs can be loud. I'm a quiet guy and I prefer quiet animals. All that is really besides the point anyway. Like I said before, I got into tarantulas because what most people find creepy or gross about them I find fascinating. That's just my opinion.

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[The Snark]

I'd rather have a pig than a dog. Dogs are boring to me because so many people have them. This is one reason why I got into exotics in the first place. I like things that are "different" or "weird."

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Well if you are ever out this way we will arrange for you to stay an mom-in-laws and you can enjoy free range pigs first hand and close up. But hurry up because I've got the village headman recruited when I lay down the law on my next health and hygiene drive. I had the lab culture some 20+ samples I took from her environment; floors, tables, water faucet etc. Not only did every single one come back leptospirosis positive, there were some other nastys, gram+ and neg, that left the cynic in me a bit stunned.