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LOL!!:clap: {D



I have had many scorpions that were said to be aggressive and challenging
Could you elaborate on what species you have kept? I think that would help the discussion.

but most of them were very boring.
Why were they boring? If all you want is aggressive and challenging, and if the species you kept were these things, then why were they boring? ( I'm guessing it was the lack of activity and intersting behaviour--which you won't find in L.q. either. )


So I thought that if I got the most deadly scorpion it would be the most aggressive and challenging.
L.q. care requirements are very simple, so you won't find a challenge there. There really isn't a challenge in keeping L.q. except overcoming the danger level and being safe, and if that is challenging/ difficult for you then you shouldn't have one!


But I have heard how boring L. quin can be so now I really don't know what I want. Also its not that safe scorps bore me I would sooner have a huge forest scorp any day instead of a L. quin, I just want a challenging scorpion thats all. I am also not it the hobby for the danger. I wanted a L. quin because it sounded (before I joined arachnoboards) like it would be a challenge and now its just seems to be a regular scorpion with a potent venom
What I would advise is buying a species that has a sensitivity to climate. Temperature and humidity levels can be difficult to maintain simultaneously, especially if you throw in a need for high ventilation. This is a challenge you can take on without danger to yourself. Also, providing a proper habitat for multiple/ arboreal species, accomplishing a successful breeding, raising scorplings to maturity, maintaining a cannibalism-free colony are all challenges that you can take on instead of challening yourself on a safety issue. Sure, keeping a dangerous scorpion requires constant vigilance and caution, but it isn't something that you just break into: you need to work up to high venom scorps, so that proper safety measures are second-nature, and not really a "challenge." You work up from lower venom scorps so that if you make a mistake while learning proper caution, it won't be as serious a threat to your life. By the time you can responsibly keep an L.q., being safe is no longer new and unfamiliar to you, you just need to pay attention and practice what you've learned.



My point is that I LOVE L.q. Deadly or not. They seem like such an interesting invert. L.q is my favroite scorpion. I like what I have seen on some L.q not all but how they are a bright colour and a black tip. Even if this scorpion doesn't move at all that wouldn't change how interesting I think it is. Besides most of my animals never move anyways or they move and I just don't see it. So buying another animal that doesn't move at all will seem pretty normal to me. Nevermid buying an animal that doesn't move thats deadly.
Also if L.q never moves what thrill could I possably get out of it.
--The mental thrill of keeping a deadly animal, that's what. Lots of people come here with the idea that they'd love to have a deadly scorp, because "it would be awesome to have something that dangerous" etc. This keeping for the thrill is something we HIGHLY guard against in incoming "hobbyists," because it is not a responsible attitude or reason to keep these animals, and because thrill-keepers have a MUCH higher risk of getting themselves and/or others stung, thereby endangering the hobby. I guess what I'm getting from you is that although you know the scorp is inactive/ boring, you find it fascinating. You say that its appearance is a factor, but you admit that "L.q for me would fall under interests," not beauty, so the only factor left to make you interested in L.q. is how dangerous it is, which as I've said, is a BAD reason to get a scorp.


I am not expecting to get a thrill out of any animal I buy.
Then why do you want an aggressive and dangerous scorpion, and why have your previous scorpions bored you? Hadrurus are, by all accounts, an interesting and enjoyable group of scorps.


I do believe I am responsible enough to take care of a L. quin.
Again, why? How old are you, what scorps have you kept previously? Starting out in dangerous scorps by getting an L.q. is like learning to swim in a pool full of sharks: it's a crash course, and you'd better get it right. It is, in my mind, equally ridiculous to think you can safely keep the most venomous scorp in the world, without having had any experience in safe "hot" husbandry. If you want a defensive, interesting, and husbandry-wise challenging scorpion, you should try Heterometrus, the non-exilicauda Centruroides, Hadrurus, Ophistophthalmus, Babycurus, Scorpio maurus species, or if you really must have some stigma of danger, Buthacus lephtochelys nitzani.
 

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Venom said:
LOL!!:clap: {D





Could you elaborate on what species you have kept? I think that would help the discussion.



Why were they boring? If all you want is aggressive and challenging, and if the species you kept were these things, then why were they boring? ( I'm guessing it was the lack of activity and intersting behaviour--which you won't find in L.q. either. )




L.q. care requirements are very simple, so you won't find a challenge there. There really isn't a challenge in keeping L.q. except overcoming the danger level and being safe, and if that is challenging/ difficult for you then you shouldn't have one!




What I would advise is buying a species that has a sensitivity to climate. Temperature and humidity levels can be difficult to maintain simultaneously, especially if you throw in a need for high ventilation. This is a challenge you can take on without danger to yourself. Also, providing a proper habitat for multiple/ arboreal species, accomplishing a successful breeding, raising scorplings to maturity, maintaining a cannibalism-free colony are all challenges that you can take on instead of challening yourself on a safety issue. Sure, keeping a dangerous scorpion requires constant vigilance and caution, but it isn't something that you just break into: you need to work up to high venom scorps, so that proper safety measures are second-nature, and not really a "challenge." You work up from lower venom scorps so that if you make a mistake while learning proper caution, it won't be as serious a threat to your life. By the time you can responsibly keep an L.q., being safe is no longer new and unfamiliar to you, you just need to pay attention and practice what you've learned.







--The mental thrill of keeping a deadly animal, that's what. Lots of people come here with the idea that they'd love to have a deadly scorp, because "it would be awesome to have something that dangerous" etc. This keeping for the thrill is something we HIGHLY guard against in incoming "hobbyists," because it is not a responsible attitude or reason to keep these animals, and because thrill-keepers have a MUCH higher risk of getting themselves and/or others stung, thereby endangering the hobby. I guess what I'm getting from you is that although you know the scorp is inactive/ boring, you find it fascinating. You say that its appearance is a factor, but you admit that "L.q for me would fall under interests," not beauty, so the only factor left to make you interested in L.q. is how dangerous it is, which as I've said, is a BAD reason to get a scorp.




Then why do you want an aggressive and dangerous scorpion, and why have your previous scorpions bored you? Hadrurus are, by all accounts, an interesting and enjoyable group of scorps.




Again, why? How old are you, what scorps have you kept previously? Starting out in dangerous scorps by getting an L.q. is like learning to swim in a pool full of sharks: it's a crash course, and you'd better get it right. It is, in my mind, equally ridiculous to think you can safely keep the most venomous scorp in the world, without having had any experience in safe "hot" husbandry. If you want a defensive, interesting, and husbandry-wise challenging scorpion, you should try Heterometrus, the non-exilicauda Centruroides, Hadrurus, Ophistophthalmus, Babycurus, Scorpio maurus species, or if you really must have some stigma of danger, Buthacus lephtochelys nitzani.
The problem with working your way up is some people doesn't have the space to do it and when you say work your way up, what do you mean by that? How many species does he have to buy before buying an L.Q? In my opinion, just buy your favorite scorpion and take care of it. Don't pet it, don't touch it and don't stick your hand inside the tank then you should be alright. Plus there is an age limit to buy an L.Q unless some greedy seller sells it to underage kids.
 
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Its funny I thought deathstalkers were black, but they're not, heh heh:eek: they're tan.

In my opinion, keeping a cage of death would not be very enjoyable considering the risk and the said boring factor of L. quins. If you are going to have a boring scorpion you might as well have a less venomous one whereas you can move a rock or piece of wood so you can see it without the risk of a deadly sting.

If I had one I would be sweating bullets if i ever had to rehouse it or clean the cage or something.
 

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-palau- said:
Its funny I thought deathstalkers were black, but they're not, heh heh:eek: they're tan.

In my opinion, keeping a cage of death would not be very enjoyable considering the risk and the said boring factor of L. quins. If you are going to have a boring scorpion you might as well have a less venomous one whereas you can move a rock or piece of wood so you can see it without the risk of a deadly sting.

If I had one I would be sweating bullets if i ever had to rehouse it or clean the cage or something.
there is a black deathstalker(not fully black) from jordan but I don't think anybody is selling it :D . http://www.ub.ntnu.no/scorpion-files/l_jordanensis.jpg very beautiful :D.
 
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come on now

i understand that everyone is alittle bit concerned but seriouslly... there are alot of places online to get one and most people that sell T's online also sell them too..come on theres nothing like owning an animal that needs that much respect!!!! if i could own a pet gator wow!!! who wouldnt want that!!!!!
 

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Who the hell cares why he wants one. In the worst case scenerio he wants it cause it is dangerous. Well I'd rather anyone had a deadly scorpion then a gun. And there are more guns in captivity out there then scorps. :)
 

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sick4x4 said:
there are alot of places online to get one and most people that sell T's online also sell them too..
And all of the reputable dealers/sellers will NOT sell it to someone under age or irresponsible, at all. It does NOT mean that they will sell it to just anyone. They will make sure the buyer will be responsible with something this "hot". It's called being responsible and properly educationg the buyer. Besides, what does this bit of info have to do with anything here anyway? :?


Just in case anyone missed or skipped over Jeff's post, I will reiterate: Please keep it on topic and friendly! Or else ..... :embarrassed:
 

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Scolopendra55 said:
Swifts Invertebrates has em' for sale.
He neglected to mention that he resides in Canada. :wall:

Truthfully, now that I think about it ... seeing as you do reside in Canada, this really does not belong here. It belongs in the Canadian forum. Therefore, this thread is now locked.


Fun time is over boys and girls, sorry. :p


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