Deaths From Spider Bites - All

Stefan2209

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My point would be the hysterical over-reaction to spiders and the potent venoms and the utterly inane way that people, Pavlov's dog style, salivating when the bell rings, when the media does their usual noise thing.
Unfortunately, you're right with this.

But, anything other (like the facts you posted) wouldn't be „News“ - so what to expect?

I get your point and share it to a limited degree, but i'm pretty over and done with the majority of emotions in regard of „The News“ about toxic spiders. It's futile.

Media isn't interested in facts, its interested in clicks, readers, watchers, whatever. Back in the days i contacted several newspapers when they had published articles about „highly venomous banana-spider found in / at xyz“, yielded zero response. Did surprise me back then.

Contacted one „expert“ who was said to have been the guy to identify the spider in question in one of the articles, got a response (on a weekend day) in just 2 hours.
He had never identified the spider, nor even been shown it and learned from his „deed“ through the press media. Tells you all you need to know.

Big spiders make News. Venomous spiders make even BETTER NEWS.

Most often found Phobia in many countries is, guess what, Arachnophobia. Hell, let's take that and add some Venom to it and we have perfect NEWS.

Nothing more, that's about it.

Interesting how folks are discussing the whole „who's more toxic“-thing again. If you read scientific papers often found free online, maybe even talk to guys who work in according fields, let alone keep some species in the focus of that discussion, you'd find that the whole topic is as interesting as the following question:

What'll kill you quicker a 9mm to the back of the head or a .45 ACP?

Think about it – it's pointless, this way or another.

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I don't have the statistics in front of me but with Latrodectus it is only a tiny fraction of the bites that get antivenom.

A luxury that isn't found where a lot of Phoneutria ranges.
Last thing i remember about Latro-Antivenin is, that medics usually only apply it in extremely severe cases, since the stuff can have severe side-effects. Haven't checked this since years but might be worth investigating in case you want to dig deeper.

In regard of the second sentence quoted: seems that so far only envenomations caused by P. nigriventer required the administration of Anti-Venom, even this in only a minority (in %) of cases. P. nigriventer envenomations are known from Brazil, Argentina and Paraguay. If you compare the distribution of the genus, you'll find that apparently no cases of Phoneutrism in other countries than the afforementioned were recorded that required the administration of Anti-Venom.

I'm not aware of scientific evidence, but have reason to doubt that all species of the genus are exactly as toxic as P. nigriventer and most likely P. keyserlingi. In fact, with P. boliviensis available records suggest otherwise and with many, if not most, other species not sufficiently enough data is (at least publicly) available.
 

The Snark

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Stefan2209, you just gave me a revelation. A new perspective. While I'm aware news isn't solid established facts and should always be checked by contrapuntal sources, the 'news' isn't facts at all and should never be held in the same light as valuable usually accurate information.

Orson Wells 'War of the Worlds' broadcast gave us a sterling example and since that time the public has become ever more deluded.

So we need to get the word out. If news media is your only source of information, many of the 'facts' you know aren't facts but distortions, outright lies, and basically, fiction-fantasy. The facts the news contains are only there to lend it credibility.

I'm sorry, modern world, but many of the truths you now believe are nothing more than flights of fantasy. If you haven't personally researched it you are foolish.
 
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Najakeeper

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Also, it is good to keep in mind that a lot of non-native antivenom is stocked by various organizations in the US like zoos, research facilities etc. So that flight is probably be going to a lot shorter.
 

Nosiris

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One factor that might affect the no-deaths-since-1981-from-Atracinae scenario in future is the fact that Australia is running low on antivenom. This is due to A robustus becoming increasingly rare in its relatively small distribution area because of urban sprawl. Australia now requests that where possible A robustus be captured and sent in for milking - you need over 50 milkings to make one dose of antivenom. Yes, the very fact that A robustus is becoming scarcer means fewer bites but still... interesting times!
 

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One factor that might affect the no-deaths-since-1981-from-Atracinae scenario
A paradox indeed. If in the US I would be moved towards despair but Aus has a little bit going for it in the farsighted department. We shall see.
 
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