Dave's little beasties comments about captive bred G. Pulchra

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For the T. blondi , wasn't it the T. blondi Surinam locality at the time? Compared to the one that came before that which was the T. Blondi French Guiana, it is indeed smaller.

Andrew Smith's documentary on Theraphosa blondi has since then clarified that the T. blondi we thought was just a locality from Surinam is indeed a different species and we're just waiting for the publication. It's going to be called Theraphosa surinamensis. In the documentary, it was mentioned that the species to be T. surinamensis is definitely smaller in size and has much more setae on its legs.
I have no idea what country anything sold as Theraphosa blondi came from at any given time. None of the people I bought mine from told me what the country of origin was of the spiderlings. My two smaller-than-expected T. blondi males are in jars of alcohol so when new descriptions are published I have the material to compare with.
 

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Like Daves Little Beasties it is Enjoyable Entertainment.
Like with All Things, Take Some & Leave Some. :geek:
 
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I know they are being bred. But to me, an easy species to breed, is a species that is plentiful available, and cheap. Being bred by many folks, not just certain breeders/dealers.

a 3/4” is 75$ CAD here, and 1.5”, 250$ CAD.

i can also understand if there are g quirogai and g pulchra on the market, it might not be as successful, then two of the same. Even if it were possible to breed between both, i wouldn’t want to buy that. No matter the price.

i want a g “black calm pet rock”, that i can identify as pulchra or quirogai, when i buy it. Not a hybrid.

i don’t have issues with Dave’s comments on the breeding of this species. I understand why some are irked by it.

it can be possible, that there are still wild egg sacs and adults being smuggled, even if its banned.

at this point, with the the rapidness that the forest is being chopped down in south america, they should lift the export ban. All the tarantulas in the areas to be deforested, could be exported and create revenue for the country. Legal or not, smuggling will still happen.
 
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I know they are being bred. But to me, an easy species to breed, is a species that is plentiful available, and cheap. Being bred by many folks, not just certain breeders/dealers.

a 3/4” is 75$ CAD here, and 1.5”, 250$ CAD.
They're definitely still a bit pricey, in no way rare since you can buy one whenever you want.
 

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They're definitely still a bit pricey, in no way rare since you can buy one whenever you want.
i agree: they are not “rare”. I am very happy they are available. When i can afford one, i know i will be able to get one. And i trust the dealer for quality.

i just don’t think the price matches availability, like nhandu color or davus pentaloris.

the price feels like a t seladonia, or D sp Panama Lava.
 

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I know they are being bred. But to me, an easy species to breed, is a species that is plentiful available, and cheap. Being bred by many folks, not just certain breeders/dealers.

a 3/4” is 75$ CAD here, and 1.5”, 250$ CAD.

i can also understand if there are g quirogai and g pulchra on the market, it might not be as successful, then two of the same. Even if it were possible to breed between both, i wouldn’t want to buy that. No matter the price.

i want a g “black calm pet rock”, that i can identify as pulchra or quirogai, when i buy it. Not a hybrid.

i don’t have issues with Dave’s comments on the breeding of this species. I understand why some are irked by it.

it can be possible, that there are still wild egg sacs and adults being smuggled, even if its banned.

at this point, with the the rapidness that the forest is being chopped down in south america, they should lift the export ban. All the tarantulas in the areas to be deforested, could be exported and create revenue for the country. Legal or not, smuggling will still happen.
I honestly can't understand the prices over there, it is so cheap over here, there is a guy in the UK selling a full collection including adult female G Pulchra 10 T's total 6 female including the Pulchra for £400 ($515) including there enclosures. I asked to get them posted but he's only willing to let them go on collection or they would be mine by now.
 

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I honestly can't understand the prices over there, it is so cheap over here, there is a guy in the UK selling a full collection including adult female G Pulchra 10 T's total 6 female including the Pulchra for £400 ($515) including there enclosures. I asked to get them posted but he's only willing to let them go on collection or they would be mine by now.
Because everything we have is imported. Canada has no large scale breeders like in Europe. Plus, they have an actual store, not just a website. So they need to cover the costs for everything
 

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Because everything we have is imported. Canada has no large scale breeders like in Europe. Plus, they have an actual store, not just a website. So they need to cover the costs for everything
the import kills us. I guess we need to start breeding more tarantulas now.

i am totaly up for participating in breeding more tarantulas. I don’t mind if i only do the easy ones. But I think we have enough people, in Canada, who are “Bug” crazy.

i don’t even want money. Just to be part of it, would be nice. Dealers can get my slings or egg sacs.
 
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Because everything we have is imported. Canada has no large scale breeders like in Europe. Plus, they have an actual store, not just a website. So they need to cover the costs for everything
You are a whole country just like the UK. We have the same import and export laws as we are no longer part of the EU. Yet we still have readily available T's that are a lot cheaper than US Ts and Canada. Nowhere compares to Europe though, places like Germany and Poland have some of the cheapest prices I've seen. I wish I could still order from there. All of these places do not have any native Tarantulas too, and are selling American native species cheaper than what they are in there homeland.
 

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You are a whole country just like the UK. We have the same import and export laws as we are no longer part of the EU. Yet we still have readily available T's that are a lot cheaper than US Ts and Canada. Nowhere compares to Europe though, places like Germany and Poland have some of the cheapest prices I've seen. I wish I could still order from there. All of these places do not have any native Tarantulas too, and are selling American native species cheaper than what they are in there homeland.
Like I mentioned before, Canada is basically breeding nothing, everything is imported. Main reason
 

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There's only a few NW terrestrials that are all uniformally jet black as adults one being G. pulchra. G. quirogai is all black as adults.

I think there is an Aphonopelma that's all black but not sure if it's the same jet black as pulchra. There's a couple more I'm not remembering.

P. irminia doesn't count as it's whole body and legs are not jet black

Even among OW's there's a few arboreals that are all black.

The appeal of these T's is the all black appearance.
 

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You are a whole country just like the UK. We have the same import and export laws as we are no longer part of the EU. Yet we still have readily available T's that are a lot cheaper than US Ts and Canada. Nowhere compares to Europe though, places like Germany and Poland have some of the cheapest prices I've seen. I wish I could still order from there. All of these places do not have any native Tarantulas too, and are selling American native species cheaper than what they are in there homeland.
its not the same. At all. Its still expensive here. We are land neighbors with USA. A chalcodes are expensive.

some of the biggest tarantula breeders are in Europe. You’re connected to Jakarta, too, in a certain way. Its no surprise you have better prices.

I can assure you, its really more expensive here. And its all about the supply chain. Locals breed the quick and easy. But everything else is not as obvious to get. At a good price. Not everyone wants nhandu color, p irminia or p murinus.

There's only a few NW terrestrials that are all uniformally jet black as adults one being G. pulchra. G. quirogai is all black as adults.

I think there is an Aphonopelma that's all black but not sure if it's the same jet black as pulchra. There's a couple more I'm not remembering.

P. irminia doesn't count as it's whole body and legs are not jet black

Even among OW's there's a few arboreals that are all black.

The appeal of these T's is the all black appearance.
to me, the appeal is not just the black. Its the possible behavior. There are black OW spiders, there has to be. There are even glossy spandex type spiders, from the OW category. But not like new worlds.

i really like calm like tarantulas. I know they can be skittish. But take g pulchripes. I have four. What i love about them, is they never really kick UrS. I like their general attitudes.
 

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Like I mentioned before, Canada is basically breeding nothing, everything is imported. Main reason
What's America's excuse for the crazy over priced T's lol. Looks like you're gawna need to start breeding then, has to start somewhere.
 

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I'm not sure how difficult it is to transport viable eggsacs from South America to Europe (via plane?) and have them hatch out successfully. Also no idea what G. Pulchra/Quirogai (or whatever this hobby species is) slings per eggsac numbers are but considering the prices in Europe and the risk involved this doesn't feel like a very lucrative proposition. Also considering how tight airport security in Europe is these days. Just from a logical standpoint this scenario doesn't seem to be very likely.
 
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I'm not sure how difficult it is to transport viable eggsacs from South America to Europe (via plane?) and have them hatch out successfully. Also no idea what G. Pulchra/Quirogai (or whatever this hobby species is) slings per eggsac numbers are but considering the prices in Europe and the risk involved this doesn't feel like a very lucrative proposition. Also considering how tight airport security in Europe is these days. Just from a logical standpoint this scenario doesn't seem to be very likely.
If you are talking about no permits or what legally one needs then it's smuggling even if it's an eggsac.

Do it legally but transporting an eggsac will be challenging without damaging it.
 

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Hey guys,

... In this video he was talking about this species being exceedingly difficult to breed and not knowing or even hearing of anyone successfully doing so. He suggested, that the slings people buy likely come from eggsacs that were collected in the wild....
I know minimum 2 people who had breed the species that was known as "pulchra" in the pet trade.
One was my wife around 2009. And yes, at the same time the market was floated with collected egg sac´s from the wild.


I'm not sure how difficult it is to transport viable eggsacs from South America to Europe (via plane?) and have them hatch out successfully. Also no idea what G. Pulchra/Quirogai (or whatever this hobby species is) slings per eggsac numbers are but considering the prices in Europe and the risk involved this doesn't feel like a very lucrative proposition. Also considering how tight airport security in Europe is these days. Just from a logical standpoint this scenario doesn't seem to be very likely.
Maybe it´s not likely for you, but it happens in reality since years.

Example:
Alejandra Panzera, Cintya Perdomo, and Fernando Pérez-Miles "Spiderling emergence in the tarantula Grammostola mollicoma (Ausserer 1875): an experimental approach (Araneae, Theraphosidae)," The Journal of Arachnology 37(1), 92-96, (1 April 2009). https://doi.org/10.1636/T07-111.1

"METHODS
We used 46 cocoons of G. mollicoma (northern form) obtained through the Uruguayan mail and confiscated from illegal trade. All were presumably collected at a site near Achar, Tacuarembo´ , Uruguay [32u239600S, 56u049570W] considering police evidence, habitat description and known distribution of this species. In addition, 800 adults of G. mollicoma were simultaneously confiscated in another mailing by the same person from the same locality. ..."
 

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its not the same. At all. Its still expensive here. We are land neighbors with USA. A chalcodes are expensive.

some of the biggest tarantula breeders are in Europe. You’re connected to Jakarta, too, in a certain way. Its no surprise you have better prices.

I can assure you, its really more expensive here. And its all about the supply chain. Locals breed the quick and easy. But everything else is not as obvious to get. At a good price. Not everyone wants nhandu color, p irminia or p murinus.
I know it's more expensive there but I can't understand the reason, even USA. When you say Europe that's like me saying the Americas, I'm in the UK, Jakarta is in Indonesia that's Asia so no it's not connected it's a different continent and what exactly would that do anyway? I just think the prices that side of the pond are crazy.
 

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I know it's more expensive there but I can't understand the reason, even USA. When you say Europe that's like me saying the Americas, I'm in the UK, Jakarta is in Indonesia that's Asia so no it's not connected it's a different continent and what exactly would that do anyway? I just think the prices that side of the pond are crazy.
It's greed with the excuse used as supply and demand here in the U.S.

As long as people keep buying seller's will keep charging high amounts.

It's not the love of arachnoculture it's the green.

If I ever decide to do a breeding project I'm giving slings away free for the betterment of arachnoculture and to share with others.
 

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I know it's more expensive there but I can't understand the reason, even USA. When you say Europe that's like me saying the Americas, I'm in the UK, Jakarta is in Indonesia that's Asia so no it's not connected it's a different continent and what exactly would that do anyway? I just think the prices that side of the pond are crazy.
i know its Asia. Its because there are not two giant oceans between it. Its connected by “land”. More then Canada And France, for exemple. Jakarta being a big wildlife blackmarket, places like Poland can get access to different species. The distance between germany and the Uk, is easier to cross then London to New York.

the shipping is more expensive here because there is a big body of water to cross. Exchange rate.

does this clarify what i was trying to say?
 
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