Genus Cyriopagopus (a.k.a. Haplopelma)

[Robert Seliger]

0.1.0 Cyriopagopus sp. "blue" - female, freshly molted

Best regards.
Robert

 

[FryLock]

Yup, you cant keep exotics unless it is native. What will the world come to when i go back home!? I guess i could still keep the singapore blue...

Maybe, or maybe not.



Secrets secrets.. .

 

[manville]

Maybe, or maybe not.



Secrets secrets.. .

well, we'll see...i'll tell you if i do or not..

 

[Fred]

Robert Seliger, that is one nice Tarantula.

 

[Lopez]

Sub-adult female from J-M Verdez.

 

[Fince]

Haplopelma schmidti

 

[Raqua]

Great shoot Fince. Did you learned to make pics like I do ???

 

[Lopez]

Not sure where is best to post this spider, so for now she can go here

 

[Jetzie]

here's mine!

likely male :wall: ? do they have that orangey hair as adults? or just in males?
1 of my friend's cyrio doesnt have the hairs at the same size as mine :\

 

[metallica]

glad i could give her to you with the tank Leon!!

 

[priZZ]

Not sure where is best to post this spider, so for now she can go here

Hmmm... pls don't tell me Lamprolema violaceopes will be moved to the Genus Cyriopagopus?!

 

[metallica]

Hmmm... pls don't tell me Lamprolema violaceopes will be moved to the Genus Cyriopagopus?!

who says this is Lamprolema violaceopes?

 

[priZZ]

who says this is Lamprolema violaceopes?

Tought it because of this:

http://www.vsupermarket.co.uk/~lopez/MySpiders/LV2.jpg

 

[Steve Nunn]

Tought it because of this:

Hi priZZ,

L. violaceopes will as far as I can tell remain in Lampropelma, we are just waiting for some intrepid enthusiast or taxonomist to have a good look at all the types, seems they are indeed from two different species! Abraham collected from two different locations. Some of us were aware of this a long time ago, however it was released that they were L.violaceopes. So, perhaps one of the L.violaceopes will be moved to another genus, perhaps it will stay in the Lampropelma, time will tell.

Bottom line is that the specimen you guys all call L.violaceopes, or used to, is probably not even a Lampropelma!!! More likely Cyriopagopus, which is why Leon posted it here. That said, noone is real sure because from what I understand, this particular spider possesses characters that were though to be diagnostic of both Cyriopagopus and Lampropelma.

OH NO, a possible generic intergrade!! What can it mean Well, a whole bunch of phylogenetic research needs to be done, but intergrades at this level are a real problem and indeed show that we are perhaps still a long way from getting it close to correct.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Lopez]

Hi Steve,
Yep, that's basically it. For now we are left with a spider that isn't strictly Haplopelma, Lampropelma, Ornithoctonus or Cyriopagopus.
So for now I find it easiest to refer to it as "Lampropelma violaceopes" or Ornithoctoninae ex. Malaysia (or similar)
It's also been sold in the past as H.robustum, and the 4 spiderlings I bought at the BTS were labelled as Haplopelma sp.Malaysie. This only adds to the confusion (for the masses, not the more informed). Plus of course, we learn things every day and this erases or changes information we have published (be it on forums, lists or in papers) in the past.

Still, who cares. It's a bloody nice spider.

 

[Steve Nunn]

Hi Leon,

Hopefully, with the cladistic analysis of the Ornithoctoninae and all types completed, throwing the characters diagnostic of these spiders into the mix will yield results. Of course the ideal find is the "homologous character" that ties these groups together well, but as not many seem to be aware or realise, more often then not the homologous character does not "behave" well and this is where it can be really complicated, the determination of irregularities in true homologous characters is very difficult, particularly when too many irregularities turn up and make you question the determination of homology in the first place! The more one understands this, the more one will lean toward the practice of "lumping" in order to determine homology.

The study of systematics is so damn complex it isn't funny. Nothing is that cut and dry in this field, so often we are lead on many wild goose chases before we can see these relationships with any real clarity.

I don't know if you're aware of the DNA analysis done recently in the UK on the U.S/Mexican theraphosids and the findings from that!! The end result was totally unexpected, with close relationships determined/ hypothesized where classical systematic analysis could not conceivably determine such results, ever!! In fact, the findings from that have thrown the systematics of the theraphosids for a big spin.

Anyhoo, there are indeed fun times ahead and I think we are going to see new groups we could of never perceived with the increase of DNA research.....After all DNA doesn't lie, does it?????? ????????

Cheers,
Steve

 

[phormingochilus]

Depends on the DNA marker you choose ;-)

Søren

Hi Leon,
After all DNA doesn't lie, does it?????? ????????

Cheers,
Steve

 

[truhlik]

aboreal

Hi

I have one question- are Cyriopagopus spieces aboreal?

 

[Mark]

All Cyriopagopus spp. are strictly aboreal in the wild.

 

[truhlik]

thank you...