Genus Cyriopagopus (a.k.a. Haplopelma)

[phormingochilus]

Originally posted by brgn
I would say that Cyriopagopus schioedtei looks more like the Lampropelma species than H. schmidti. The same with the genus that S�ren has used as his username, Phormingochilus. Are those three(Cyriopagopus, Lampropelma and Phormingochilus) closely related?

Robert

You can say that there are some "groups" sharing many similarities within the ornithoctoninae. In my opinion you can group them somewhat like this:

GROUP1:
Haplopelma "minax-group"

GROUP2:
Haplopelma "schmidti-group"
Ornithoctonus
Lampropelma

GROUP3:
Cyriopagopus
Phormingochilus
Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Sarawak"

GROUP4 (this somewhat a ragbag, as I haven't examined nor compared these two spiders):
Citharognathus
Ornithoctoninae G. sp. "Vietnam"

These groups are not a picture of genera, nor a picture of the official opinion, but is my personal opinion. But I would still say that it gives a good idea of how the genera are related. Just as we could make some guestimates to which species that were more related to each other within these genera. The hard work (being done by Volker) is to draw the lines that connect and place the genera and species on the cladistic "tree".

Best regards
Søren

 

[LPacker79]

My little H. albostriatum taken the day I unpacked it. Bold little sucker, came out of the vial in full on threat pose. I suppose nobody ever told it that it's only .5"!

 

[Kevo]

Better late than never Minax...

 

[Kevo]

Again....

 

[Kevo]

H schmidti....

 

[Earth Tiger]

Lopez, tell us when u have eggs with legs!

Kevo, yours is a very dark morph of H. schmidti~

 

[Lopez]

Lopez, tell us when u have eggs with legs!

Unfortunately it appears the eggs were infertile, they all turned dark and went bad very quickly Ah well, wait for a male and try again!

Here are a couple of spiderlings to keep you occupied

Haplopelma sp."aureopilosum"

and

Haplopelma sp."longipedum"

 

[nocturnalpulsem]

My new one...

 

[Lopez]

Ornithoctonus/Selenocosmia hainana

This one is a real handful

 

[Martin H.]

Hi,

Ornithoctonus/Selenocosmia hainana

This one is a real handful

this one too: =;-)

don't try this at home kids!


all the best,
Martin

 

[Lopez]

Indeed Martin!
I have only done this a couple of times with Ornithoctonids, both times Haplopelma schmidti:

DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!!!

 

[Lopez]

Now, a comparison post.

The first picture shows an intermoult Haplopelma sp."Vietnam"
The second picture shows a heavily premoult Haplopelma sp."Vietnam"
The next two pictures show a freshly moulted Haplopelma sp."Vietnam"
The last picture is an intermoult Haplopelma minax

See how similar they are? And the colour variation between pre and post moult?
One could be mistaken for minax for "Vietnam" at a glance, especially by a trader in a hurry.
It also demonstrates why photographs are not always very usefel for positive identification purposes.

 

[Martin H.]

see the topic

 

[phoenixxavierre]

Great pics!

As always, Martin!

peace,

paul

 

[Lopez]

Cyriopagopus species.

 

[Vys]

Cyriopagopus sp., frozen female

all the best,
Martin

See...how stiffly it moves...dead..relentess...necromancer!

 

[stemloop]

A couple of mine....I don't know much about this genus, but this is supposed to be a thorelli.

 

[stemloop]

And this would be, then, a pissed off thorelli.

 

[brgn]

The species sold as thorelli is schioedtei. The real thorelli are not in the hobby as far as I know. So your specimen is a Cyriopagopus schioedtei. Also looks like a female.

Robert

 

[petitegreeneyes]

One of my two juvie, C.schioedtei,