Creating Hybrids

[DystruktoBoi1]

Let me preface this by saying I have no intentions of making any hybrids, I have neither the patience or the facilities - I was just wondering if anyone has heard of or thought the potential for some exist?

Like could you cross a Birdeater with a Gooty Sapphire and get a 12 inch blue tarantula? Has anyone ever tried?

Just tarantula shower thoughts lol

 

[Andrew Clayton]

Let me preface this by saying I have no intentions of making any hybrids, I have neither the patience or the facilities - I was just wondering if anyone has heard of or thought the potential for some exist?

Like could you cross a Birdeater with a Gooty Sapphire and get a 12 inch blue tarantula? Has anyone ever tried?

Just tarantula shower thoughts lol

I don't think anything like that has been attempted or even possible but yes there are loads of cases of hybridisation, in the wild and in the hobby.
A massive bodied T. Blondi with the exact colouration of a P. Met would be cool though.

 

[Charliemum]

Let me preface this by saying I have no intentions of making any hybrids, I have neither the patience or the facilities - I was just wondering if anyone has heard of or thought the potential for some exist?

Like could you cross a Birdeater with a Gooty Sapphire and get a 12 inch blue tarantula? Has anyone ever tried?

Just tarantula shower thoughts lol

I don't think t's are made like that. I think it is possible to cross breed in the same genus but I don't think you could cross say an ow with a nw or a Grammostola with a Brachypelma ect, plus its frowned upon anyways. Its hard enough being sure what you have without surprise mixes .

 

[Mustafa67]

Let me preface this by saying I have no intentions of making any hybrids, I have neither the patience or the facilities - I was just wondering if anyone has heard of or thought the potential for some exist?

Like could you cross a Birdeater with a Gooty Sapphire and get a 12 inch blue tarantula? Has anyone ever tried?

Just tarantula shower thoughts lol

NO! BAD

DON’T

 

[DystruktoBoi1]

I don't think t's are made like that. I think it is possible to cross breed in the same genus but I don't think you could cross say an ow with a nw or a Grammostola with a Brachypelma ect, plus its frowned upon anyways. Its hard enough being sure what you have without surprise mixes .

I know that's why I said I don't plan on it, and prefaced the post with that sentence because it's such a taboo subject people won't even ask about it - I just wondered if someone somewhere had ever seen or made a cool combo. I mean we do it with dogs, my favorite breed is a hybrid (Pitador)

And if the OW and NW thing doesn't work like the other reply said, how about a T blondi sized Aphonapelma Moorae? That'd be neat.

 

[Charliemum]

I know that's why I said I don't plan on it, and prefaced the post with that sentence because it's such a taboo subject people won't even ask about it - I just wondered if someone somewhere had ever seen or made a cool combo. I mean we do it with dogs, my favorite breed is a hybrid (Pitador)

And if the OW and NW thing doesn't work like the other reply said, how about a T blondi sized Aphonapelma Moorae? That'd be neat.

Don't worry I saw what you wrote I wasn't writing it for you more for new ppl that come across this thread in future just incase.

I think t's cross breeding is frowned upon because we know so little about the genus 's we have, people need to know more about them before we start making super spoods, or that's how I picked it up anyways , and I think ppl don't talk about it because you know there is always that one person that will think that's a great idea, so its better to just say no thank you.

But seen as your talking madeupy a blondi size chilensis

 

[DystruktoBoi1]

Don't worry I saw what you wrote I wasn't writing it for you more for new ppl that come across this thread in future just incase.

I think t's cross breeding is frowned upon because we know so little about the genus 's we have, people need to know more about them before we start making super spoods, or that's how I picked it up anyways , and I think ppl don't talk about it because you know there is always that one person that will think that's a great idea, so its better to just say no thank you.

But seen as your talking madeupy a blondi size chilensis

Breed T's with higher and higher cold weather tolerance until we can release them in the arctic and have snow spiders

 

[Charliemum]

Breed T's with higher and higher cold weather tolerance until we can release them in the arctic and have snow spiders

That would be cool . (Pun intended .)

I have always liked the ideas of a sparkling tinsel spider after reading the old folk tale with glitter web lol

 

[Wolfram1]

I just wondered if someone somewhere had ever seen or made a cool combo.

once you get into the undescribed species or discover that a seller sold you a Pamphobetheus sp. as a Xenesthis sp. and you can't figure out what species it is, you will learn to hate the thought...

"cool combo" phuu

 

[viper69]

I was just wondering if anyone has heard of or thought the potential for some exist

Yes

 

[goofyGoober99]

Dogs are all the same species that have been selectively bred for different traits which is why crossbreeding works. In situations where it's all different species, it gets a bit more complicated. Some very closely related species have been able to crossbreed (like Phiddipus regius and Phiddipus otiosis, lions and tigers, and horses and zebras), but the offspring is often infertile. The difference in genetics also raises the likelihood of neurological issues, cancer, and other health problems.

As it's been mentioned, crossbreeding tarantulas is pretty frowned upon due to, from what I've seen, the confusion it causes. There are so many species in the hobby, so many of them undescribed (or mislabeled) that adding miscellaneous hybrids (often sterile with higher chances of health problems and likely shorter lifspans) would just aggravate the situation

It's definitely fun to think about though lol. If I could do some mad scientist stuff I would probably give my jumpers the lifespan of a Brachypelma

 

[sparticus]

As it's been mentioned, crossbreeding tarantulas is pretty frowned upon due to, from what I've seen, the confusion it causes. There are so many species in the hobby, so many of them undescribed (or mislabeled) that adding miscellaneous hybrids (often sterile with higher chances of health problems and likely shorter lifspans) would just aggravate the situation

Problematically for the hobby, these tarantula hybrids tend to be *not sterile*, and perfectly able to muddy the captive gene pool of a given species.

 

[goofyGoober99]

Problematically for the hobby, these tarantula hybrids tend to be *not sterile*, and perfectly able to muddy the captive gene pool of a given species.

Oof yeah that's even worse tbh

 

[spideyspinneret78]

Put simply, it's important for us to preserve the purity of the species that we have. Sadly it may not be long until these species exist only in captive collections, and are extinct in the wild.

 

[Gevo]

Echoing all of the above re: importance of not messing with the species we have, but also, “types” of tarantulas, even within the same genus, are different species, not different breeds, so it’s not like crossing dog breeds to get a “doodle” or a mutt or something. Comparing a T. blondi to a P. metallica is less like a pug to a poodle and more like a wolf to a hyena.

 

[Charliemum]

Echoing all of the above re: importance of not messing with the species we have, but also, “types” of tarantulas, even within the same genus, are different species, not different breeds, so it’s not like crossing dog breeds to get a “doodle” or a mutt or something. Comparing a T. blondi to a P. metallica is less like a pug to a poodle and more like a wolf to a hyena.

Haha mut was what ALL cross breeds were called when I was a young girl , wasn't till a few years bk ppl started making up names for em n selling them at extortionate prices. All about that cash.

 

[Spifdar]

From what I've seen with the confusion between Pulchra and Quirogai, there's also the risk that a tarantula will recognize that its intended partner is the 'wrong' species and simply kill it or ignore it completely. This could theoretically also extend to the hybrid offspring. If nobody recognizes it as a potential mate it's gonna have a bad time.

I think the hobby's so new, too (relatively and scientifically speaking) that part of husbandry means bearing sustainability and conservation in mind. With all the wild-caught tarantulas that start off a species in captivity it wouldn't surprise me if we find out later that we have more of a given tarantula in captivity than the wild. I don't know of anyone who breeds to release (the way people did with alligators, for example, for bolstering endangered numbers back to healthy populations) but it's a possible future consideration that'd be problematic with hybrids for sure. Plus if you wound up finding it hard to find a "pure" member of a species, a wild-caught might then take its place again. There's a lot going into it imo.

 

[Arachnophobphile]

Let me preface this by saying I have no intentions of making any hybrids, I have neither the patience or the facilities - I was just wondering if anyone has heard of or thought the potential for some exist?

Like could you cross a Birdeater with a Gooty Sapphire and get a 12 inch blue tarantula? Has anyone ever tried?

Just tarantula shower thoughts lol

Have people tried, yes and successfully produced a fertile sac with hybrid babies in the past. Success with NW's that is, like Tliltocatl albopilosus and Tliltocatl vagans decades ago for example.

As far as cross-breeding OW's and NW's I'm sure some irresponsible person has attempted it. Whether with success in a fertile sac I have no clue.

Tarantulas are closely related enough that it could be possible to pair an OW and NW. What is impossible is trying to pair a tarantula with a scorpion it's never going to happen.

Ethical standards no one should be cross-breeding tarantulas for any reason. These are not dogs or cats.

Tarantulas in the wild might crossbreed although I never read anything that it was witnessed by researchers. That doesn't mean such articles don't exist I just never happened upon them or searched on the topic.