Cornsnake breeds

[intrepidus6]

A breeder is going to be letting me buy a cornsnake in a few weeks, and they said that it was going to be an extremely rare breed. The mother snake is a motley creamsicle, and the father is a candycane. I just wanted to make sure this really is a rare breed, and that I'm not being ripped off.
Thanks!

 

[JungleGuts]

yes, i would say so but i cant be 100% positive

 

[intrepidus6]

Like, compared with other breeds, just how rare is this snake?

And, thanks again by the way!

 

[Mushroom Spore]

Like, compared with other breeds, just how rare is this snake?

The word you're looking for is "morph" by the way. There's only one breed of corn snake, and that is "corn snake". All this creamsicle/candycane/blizzard stuff is only descriptors of the natural variations in the species that have been encouraged and developed by breeders.

As for morphs, meh. I have absolutely no idea what 'official' morph would come from those parents, if any. http://www.cornsnake.net/cornprice.php3 lists nothing of the sort, not even "motley creamsicle". You'd probably end up with some creamsicle babies and some candycane babies, maybe a few normals depending on how the genetics and ancestry all work out. Or random hodgepodges of the parents' traits, which might or might not look cool but certainly wouldn't be SUPER RARE, since absolutely *anyone* can breed a creamsicle and a candycane.

You're probably being ripped off. People pull this OMG SUPER RARE MORPH crap all the time. I've seen perfectly normal ball pythons on sale for thousands, under made-up fancy morph names that people will fall for.

 

[reverendsterlin]

outside of a breeding project these are probably overpriced, though under $50 would be fair (maybe). things a breeder would look at is if these have 'het' traits they are looking for. creamsicle is a red albino line bred to show the most orange, a candycany is a line bred red albino to eleminate orange. seems like your getting red albinos worth $20.
Rev

 

[Steffen]

I agree, you are being ripped off. No corn morph in this world, is rare anymore. ;P

 

[joey]

rare!!! cornsnake

just to add my opinion,,,, if you like the colour morph that the breeder is offering,, then you can make up your own mind whether or not it is worth the money..
A lot of snake keepers can be really snobby about corns, but i think they are a great snake, i have 4 , all different morphs, cos i couldnt decide which i liked best!!
If you are buying to purposely breed, than beware, cos the offspring will possibly be everything in the bloodline..
I would say it is more important that you like the colour morph, and that the snake is happy and healthy..

:}

 

[intrepidus6]

I think that they said they are asking like 60$
What exactly is a "regular old cornsnake"?
And I just want the snake as a pet, not a breeder.

 

[Gigas]

how much are lavendars nowadays?

 

[softturtle]

I agree, you are being ripped off. No corn morph in this world, is rare anymore. ;P

I would have to disagree with this. There is tons of morphs that the public has not even seen yet, including one of a kind animals, so yes there will always be super rare corn snakes.

$60 dollars is what you'd pay for a normal designer morph, so if your worried about gettin ripped of, tell him you want a certain morphe. If you like the snake your breeder is showing you, thats all that matters. The monitary value is nothing if you aren't breeding them so if you like it, buy it.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder- thats you.

 

[softturtle]

how much are lavendars nowadays?

usually about $100 US.

 

[Gigas]

kl thanks soft

 

[widow_cr]

a corn snake is a corn snake is a corn snake. There are so many different generic names for color morphs out there and none of them are really the same. My favorites are the crimson red versions. you shouldnt pay much more for a colorful one than a not colorful one. Ill pay more for my corn snakes if they can juggle or do some spectacular trick.

 

[Steffen]

I would have to disagree with this. There is tons of morphs that the public has not even seen yet, including one of a kind animals, so yes there will always be super rare corn snakes.

$60 dollars is what you'd pay for a normal designer morph, so if your worried about gettin ripped of, tell him you want a certain morphe. If you like the snake your breeder is showing you, thats all that matters. The monitary value is nothing if you aren't breeding them so if you like it, buy it.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder- thats you.

Give me an example. A morph will never be rare. Combine a new morph and it will stay unique and rare for a few months untill they are massproduced like all the others. Its only genetic flaws enherited to the offspring. One of a kind animals? Give me an example of that too. It's all just colorvariations, crossbreeds and then crossbreeds again.

A truly rare variant would be the true okeetee (not the morph), since its distribution in nature is very limited.

So to quote widow_cr: a corn snake is a corn snake...

 

[reverendsterlin]

here are two sites, serpwidget gives a great tutorial on corn snake morphs and genetics, http://www.serpwidgets.com/ . Mick on the otherhand provides the genetics program that gives you % predictions of offspring from various combinations, you'll soon find out that without good genetic backgrounds on your animals (even as little as one unknown het trait) can greatly effect offspring, http://home.comcast.net/~spencer62/cornprog.html . If you or others are interested in corn snake breeding I highly recomend both sites. If you do purchase I suggest ckecking Kathy Love's cornutopia or Rich Zuchowski's site, both highly reputable dealers with prices to compare with.
Rev

 

[Taceas]

Is it rare? Not by a long shot. Most Creams go for around $40-60 depending on their quality.

There are quite a few rare morphs of cornsnakes that cost $800+. And yes there is quite a bit of up and coming stuff, its not all the same ole stuff anymore. We just like to keep it quiet compared to those greedy Ball Python folks.

To be perfectly honest offspring from a Creamsicle Motley x Candy Cane would be a Creamsicle het Motley.

Creamsicles are an intergrade/hybrid, created by breeding a Cornsnake (Elaphe guttata guttata) to a Great Plains Ratsnake (Elaphe guttata emoryi).

The Amelanistic versions are called Creamsicles because well, their color looks just like the tasty frozen treat. The normal color varieties are coined as Rootbeers, as their colors are around that brownish-red color.

Which brings me back to my original statement, any "corn" with Emoryi blood in it must be called a Creamsicle to make the buyer aware that what they are getting is not pure corn by any means. It doesn't matter if its 50% Emoryi blood or 10%. Its just ethical honesty to name it as such.

Also, a Candy Cane corn is an Amelanistic which is specially bred to accentuate the color scheme of a candy cane.

Cornsnake genetics can be confusing at times, I know. If you want to learn more and poke around, I welcome you to join www.cornsnakes.com . There's a wealth of information there and a friendly atmosphere to kind of "grow-up" in. =)

 

[softturtle]

Last year a friend of mine had had a batch of cornsnakes hatch out and one was different. Out of a group of normal snow corns came a purple baby. Next time I'm up north I will take a picture of this one-of-a-kind cornsnake. I asked breeders at the NARBC show and they said they had never seen anything like this(and I think if they had one, they wouldn't have said anything anyways). So yes there can always be one of a kind animals from all species. Genetic mutations are all around, you just don't see them all the time.

 

[Mushroom Spore]

Out of a group of normal snow corns came a purple baby. Next time I'm up north I will take a picture of this one-of-a-kind cornsnake.

One of a kind? You mean like a lavender corn?

http://www.moreptiles.com/lavender.htm

http://www.serpenco.com/shop/image.php?productid=16561

 

[JungleGuts]

my friend will sell me his 2 year old ghost cornsnake for 45$...what do you think it would sell for on a reptile auction site? anyone have any idea?

dan

 

[Steffen]

Last year a friend of mine had had a batch of cornsnakes hatch out and one was different. Out of a group of normal snow corns came a purple baby. Next time I'm up north I will take a picture of this one-of-a-kind cornsnake. I asked breeders at the NARBC show and they said they had never seen anything like this(and I think if they had one, they wouldn't have said anything anyways). So yes there can always be one of a kind animals from all species. Genetic mutations are all around, you just don't see them all the time.

Thats not one of a kind. As i said, even if there was one of a kind corns, they wouldn't stay one of a kind for a very long time. Animals with weird colors etc. hatch all the time, they are not rare or speciel in any way and they are definitely... DEFINITELY not worth more than any other normal cornsnake. It's an illusion created by the sellers and breeders, that's all!

I see these examples all the time, Boa c. with funny patterns, Python regius with a bit more yellow colors or grey colors. They hatch more often than you would think. I have friends who have had weird looking animals pop out their Pythons and Boas. Believe me, the so called "rarity" of these animals are an complete and artificial illusion, created to lure the money out of peoples pockets.