communual p ornata

[neilkane]

pictures

have gone through images and finnaly updated site

http://www.camberwellcarrot.net/T-Gallery/index.php?cat=10004

 

[Ronj]

Very interesting debate. Tarantulas are reclusive by nature and forcing them into a communal tank is asking for trouble.

Would someone please help me pull my foot out of my mouth? Very nice job!!:clap:

 

[neilkane]

casualty death

like everyone said eventially this would fail and has.

seems one of em had started to shed and after had finished another come along and ate it how nice eh whilst defenceless. so possible stumbled on it instead of hunting it. im not sure about this. think would like to keep the remaining two togever but didnt want loss or want more. what u lot think

 

[angelarachnid]

I would separate them.

Sorry for your loss, even though i had been told i had to try for "knowledge sake" to keep 5 P. mettalica slings together, I rehoused 2.

Ray

 

[Bearskin10]

Sorry for your loss, I hate to say I told you so but I did, just to many red flags going on in your enclosures IMO for me to keep it going. Mine are about a week shy of 11 months and all 4 still in the same little retreat eat together and molt in the same little retreat where they all live but that being said the second I see even one red flag I am splitting them... Greg

Well I am going to say it, I am all for trying the communal thing as I posted earlier in this thread but I think there are 3 bad signs going on with yours, 1: You say they all have there own space and that just does not sound good to me, all of mine are laying on top of each other about 95% of the time. 2: Kind of goes along side of number one but that tap sounds more like a territorial thing as to say get out of my space. 3: The greedy part? I am assuming you are talking about eating and I think a healthy community will share there food at least while they are still young. Just a little something to think about... Greg

 

[neilkane]

i know

im proper gutted over this so wanted it to work out. anyway are going to split other two up after this message so no more incidents happen. i think possible if the spiders had no hidy hole to start with may have been a better idea but who knows. im not put of by this as it happens naturally in the wild anyway. all i can do is learn from this it was fun and very interesting to see spiders that r not socially tolerant of each other to spent time in close proximnity so often. im really unsure why this happended just wish i could of seen why and for what reason. maybe ill try a species that love each other properly next.

think at the moment ill just put my spare one in alone and let it enjoy a big tank

any ideas on spiders that like to live with each other.

thankyou to everyone to helped and commented on this subject.

 

[tarsier]

too bad. it was a very interesting experiment while it lasted though.

 

[spiDERanged]

The general rule of thumb that i go by with regalis is that they can be communally housed in groups of 3-5 until about 3". After that the risk of cann. seems to increase dramatically. The reasons seem to be many and are somewhat unknown. It seems likely that the reasons may include chemical changes that trigger or begin the sexual maturation process, the feeding habits and fasting process' that individual spiders go through (obviously a hungrey spider poses more risk to others), and/or living conditions such as ambient humidity, temperature and ability to isolate a burrow or den (it has been suggested that they may form communal retreats together as a meens to increase ambient humidity). I, as well as a few other breeders that i know, normally house them communally to a specific size without problems. Discussion on this subject has been quite frequent since (hence this thread) people are quite interested in projects like this, but also because large numbers of these species are easier to maintain in groups like this. Of course, other species of P. may be less reliable and the regalis are the only ones i use this practice on simply because i havnt been breeding other species yet. I wouldnt attempt this with gooty's simply because they are so costly and the risk isnt worth the finding out and because i dont have the quantity of slings to work with. As far as regalis go, ive had several hundred housed communally in various groups over time and havnt had any fatalities when seperated by the 3" mark.

MIZM-- P. murinus are notoriously communal even during mating. I kinda cringe, eak, just to think about opening an enclosure that has as many OBT's in it as your enclosure. But it is quite interesting and i would like to hear some updates about that project as well.

 

[angelarachnid]

Its experiments like this which improve our knowledge of theraphosids.

Even though Neil was warned about ornata, Neil tried a different aspect a larger tank which might have worked (i was hoping it might).

At the end of the day Neil has sacrificed at his loss to our gain, and should be applauded for this.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

WELL DONE its things like this which move the hobby forward

Ray

 

[Ronj]

Would someone please help me pull my foot out of my mouth? Very nice job!!:clap:

I really thought you were going to make it work. I am sorry that you had a loss and was looking forward to many more happy reports. No "I told you so from me", instead, congratulations for trying and sharing your experience with the rest of us.

Ron

 

[neilkane]

thankyou

thankyou for that guys most apreciated

 

[TheDarkFinder]

Its experiments like this which improve our knowledge of theraphosids.

Even though Neil was warned about ornata, Neil tried a different aspect a larger tank which might have worked (i was hoping it might).

At the end of the day Neil has sacrificed at his loss to our gain, and should be applauded for this.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

WELL DONE its things like this which move the hobby forward

Ray

yes completely argree. We need people to try to see what works.

 

[Steven.WK]

Damn all these experiments with formosa. Can't you guys try it on something cheaper like regalis? I been out of the hobby a few years, have formosa become that common?

 

[ShadowBlade]

:clap: :clap: :clap: You are brave to keep all those pokes in such a tiny vessel... hope it works. (You show me it works, then I'll try it!!)