Common Names vs Scientific Names

[paassatt]

yeah because learning words from a forgotten language is really gonna help me through life, oh, your such an inspiration:wall:

Latin may be a "forgotten" language, but Greek certainly isn't. Oh, did you think that scientific names were all derived from Latin? I guess doing a bit of research on that was too hard as well, yeah?

 

[lightning123]

Latin may be a "forgotten" language, but Greek certainly isn't. Oh, did you think that scientific names were all derived from Latin? I guess doing a bit of research on that was too hard as well, yeah?

yep, way too much work for something not needed....when they ban use of the english language, maybe i'll decide to use scientific names...but right now....im proud to speak the langauge ive spoke all my life.
do you think it makes you smarter than me because you have the useless talent of knowing latin and greek words....i will never go to greece & the latin language is dead and gone as far as im concerned. not only that but english is the most commonly used language, hence why we call them the common names...which hints towards the average of people use ''the common names''.
do not think you are above me because you know more about arachnids in general than i do, im still a beginner in the hobby. im sure there are lots of things i could educate you on in different subjects so dont take me for a fool.

 

[esotericman]

The pronunciation guides are in "English", you'll be OK giving them a go. Furthermore, they're not "Greek" and "Latin" they're parts or derived from those languages and others. A fun site, which gives an overview of the rules of nomenclature and some interesting names as well is here:

http://www.curioustaxonomy.net/word/alpha.html


Ba humbugi is a snail
Gressittia titsadaysi is a horse fly

And Gekko is named after the sound they make...

Sure it's "geeky" but I can say Parastratiosphecomyia stratiosphecomyioides anywhere in the world, in any country, and those who know flies will understand.

 

[lightning123]

The pronunciation guides are in "English", you'll be OK giving them a go. Furthermore, they're not "Greek" and "Latin" they're parts or derived from those languages and others. A fun site, which gives an overview of the rules of nomenclature and some interesting names as well is here:

http://www.curioustaxonomy.net/word/alpha.html


Ba humbugi is a snail
Gressittia titsadaysi is a horse fly

And Gekko is named after the sound they make...

Sure it's "geeky" but I can say Parastratiosphecomyia stratiosphecomyioides anywhere in the world, in any country, and those who know flies will understand.

maybe ill give it a go then if its fun....i have no problem wih attempting to learn, but the guy who posted above you thought he would join the topic and say something useless, guess he has nothing better to do that argue with people....hmmm gonna try that website now thanks for the link.

edit lol: i meant the guy who posted above me....XD

 

[DamoK21]

Dontcha mean "we as homo sapiens" ?

what ever floats ya boat :}

 

[paassatt]

maybe ill give it a go then if its fun....i have no problem wih attempting to learn, but the guy who posted above you thought he would join the topic and say something useless, guess he has nothing better to do that argue with people....hmmm gonna try that website now thanks for the link.

edit lol: i meant the guy who posted above me....XD

I may like to argue, but at least I'm not arrogant enough to think that if something doesn't revolve around the English language, it isn't of any importance. Especially when in a hobby that encompasses so many different people around the world who don't all speak the same language. Taxonomy is like music- it transcends language barriers.

 

[DamoK21]

ok girls and boys, there really is no need to go on with the "argueing", its getting abit petty now.

Yes we all speak english, ok english can be argued out here, as the brits and US DO spell diffrently, so to argue out the english language, is petty.

Everyone here is still learning, no matter how experienced you are, we are all still learning, some will revise it, others will take the easy route, and come here to ask about it. The facts are, we are all simply the same, some are more educated on some subjects, compared to others. Really this argueing, with smart remarks about how to right it, about the english language, latin and greek, how to spell is pointless.

Were all here in this hobby because we love it, and were all learning somthing new everyday. Were not here to be tested on science, english, latin, or greek (this includes spelling). were here because we all simply have 1 thing in common, inverts !!

so smile people, chillax (relax) and lets all kiss make up :}, and play nice.

 

[lightning123]

ok girls and boys, there really is no need to go on with the "argueing", its getting abit petty now.

Yes we all speak english, ok english can be argued out here, as the brits and US DO spell diffrently, so to argue out the english language, is petty.

Everyone here is still learning, no matter how experienced you are, we are all still learning, some will revise it, others will take the easy route, and come here to ask about it. The facts are, we are all simply the same, some are more educated on some subjects, compared to others. Really this argueing, with smart remarks about how to right it, about the english language, latin and greek, how to spell is pointless.

Were all here in this hobby because we love it, and were all learning somthing new everyday. Were not here to be tested on science, english, latin, or greek (this includes spelling). were here because we all simply have 1 thing in common, inverts !!

so smile people, chillax (relax) and lets all kiss make up :}, and play nice.

totally agree, im a lover not a fighter....but over-confidence and cockiness tests my patience....other wise, i get along with anyone else who is willing....after all, were all here for probably the same reason....whether its for info on a certain species or something else along those lines....in the end, its the love of arachnids, the fascination of them which intrigues us to read and learn about them and how to keep them which brought us here.

 

[JamieC]

Using scientific names is an absolute must in this hobby. I understand that they are complicated, difficult to spell and pronounce, but you'll soon realise we would be lost without them.

I'll occasionally use common names when I'm talking to friends who know nothing about T's to avoid confusing them, but they are not really of any use otherwise. They can be very misleading.

Jamie

 

[Anastasia]

After reading first 10 posts I stopped, I wont waste 3hr of my life read whole thread, my head spins, why such negative outlook on whole topic?
Common names are very beneficial if used with Scientific names
why draw a line??
Everyone in this hobby started some where Am sure All of you scientific name proper folks didn't know them All at ones.
So here is my point of view on this matter,
Using Common name with Scientific name its like putting face to the name
Common names tell you (in many cases to new people to this hobby) where tarantula come from and possibly what it looks like.
Example: Brazilian Black(Grammostola pulchra) its a black tarantula from Brazil.
So in my opinion Common names are beneficial if used with Scientific names also will help new folks to learn more about tarantula all Scientific names will come along with time and practice is well.

Anastasia

 

[paassatt]

Common names are very beneficial if used with Scientific names
why draw a line??

Anastasia

I agree, so long as the scientific names are used in conjunction with the common names. The common names really aren't so evil, it just gets my goat when people outright refuse to learn or use them, because common names are "in english", or "easier" or any of the other excuses.

 

[DamoK21]

I agree, so long as the scientific names are used in conjunction with the common names. The common names really aren't so evil, it just gets my goat when people outright refuse to learn or use them, because common names are "in english", or "easier" or any of the other excuses.

I also agree, as said if i have to (which is 9 times out of 10) i will put "scientific name (common name)", in that format.

As "passsssaaaaaaattttt" ;P said, it really does get right on my nerve's if one is to lazy to learn, if they cant learn what Sp they have, why would i belive they have researched the care for there animal.

IMO, to use just common names can become fatal to many animals in the hobby, and from there point of view, YOU will be the one responsible, and they will go you NO end of trouble, this is NOT the only reason as to why scientific names are more important. Yes there are some (close to none) common names that cannot be mistaken, such as "GBB", But, when one sais a baboon spider or tiger, you dont have a clue were to start, baboon spider, is it aboreal (H.maculata), or is it terrestrial (P.lurgardi maybe), or does the spider burrow (H.gigas). Were would you point at, the more common/popular baboon kept (P.murinus), a burrowing H.gigas, or a tree dweller H.mac....

We all have seen this happen, i have a black tiger, i have a baboon spider, yeshhh and what is the scientific name, "i dont no".. Got a photo.... "No"...

end of help, they get mad because were supposed to be a bunch of mind readers.

But then common names do have there up sides also, ok not as important, but they do, such as telling somone about your mexican redknee, or doing talks at schools and so on. But really when it comes to the crunch, getting help for an earth tiger, is ahell of alot harder than getting help for you Haplopelma longipes

 

[jbm150]

Using Common name with Scientific name its like putting face to the name

I like that, thats an interesting way of putting it

 

[Bumblingbear]

I really don't understand why every hobby needs to have such a large dose of elitism.

Can't we all get along?

I'm learning the scientific names to everything, but I will admit it is embarrassing sometimes talking to someone in person and mispronouncing the scientific names.

 

[groovyspider]

Your arguement is invalid.


I'd love to own a grizzled marble half moon doubletail. Do you know what that is? Doubt it.
.

i just started reading this post and just got to thi part if it was answered sorry but isnt that a type of betta?

 

[NikiP]

i just started reading this post and just got to thi part if it was answered sorry but isnt that a type of betta?

You got it

 

[baboonfan]

After reading first 10 posts I stopped, I wont waste 3hr of my life read whole thread, my head spins, why such negative outlook on whole topic?
Common names are very beneficial if used with Scientific names
why draw a line??
Everyone in this hobby started some where Am sure All of you scientific name proper folks didn't know them All at ones.
So here is my point of view on this matter,
Using Common name with Scientific name its like putting face to the name
Common names tell you (in many cases to new people to this hobby) where tarantula come from and possibly what it looks like.
Example: Brazilian Black(Grammostola pulchra) its a black tarantula from Brazil.
So in my opinion Common names are beneficial if used with Scientific names also will help new folks to learn more about tarantula all Scientific names will come along with time and practice is well.

Anastasia

Well put! I am guessing you have been around in the hobby for a while. If you are the same person I am thinking of you have a very good reputation as a hobbyist.

The common names used do put a face on a T, especially for a beginner. We need as many interested people in this hobby as possible given the fact that too many people assume that large spider = deadly poisonous. Ignorance can only be defeated by interest and alot of people arent interested in angry nerds with low self esteems or keyboard commandos engaging in petty arguments.

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I really don't understand why every hobby needs to have such a large dose of elitism.

Can't we all get along?

I'm learning the scientific names to everything, but I will admit it is embarrassing sometimes talking to someone in person and mispronouncing the scientific names.

Dont worry, the nerds often fail to pronounce them properly too. No hobby needs elitism, this hobby needs it the least. There are people in society who put deadly labels on whatever they assume looks scary. Such people let their fear run away with them and inspire retarded laws that strip us all of our hobby.

 

[seany217]

I'm rather new to tarantula keeping, and in general names of tarantulas, however, I do feel it's important to know both the common name and the latin especially if purchasing a T. I relate it more to food, of course I would never eat a tarantula, but being a chef I apply most things in ways I can understand.
A Cobalt Blue tarantula is likely to sell more to an unsuspecting and unknowing person that a Haplopelma lividum is gonna. Like a Creme' Brulee is gonna sell more that a carmalized sugar covered custard.
With that being said there are those who nit pick over minor details such as capitalization that make even wanting to post replies and selling arrangements an ordeal in and of itself.
Education is important, but let's not forget why we're all in this hobby, it's because we enjoy looking, studying, and yes even loving these wonderful animals, the likes of which I was afraid to even be around 8 months ago.

Best Wishes,

Sean

 

[Mojo Jojo]

You are a chef and wouldn't ever try a tarantula, even if it wasn't someone's pet?

 

[seany217]

No I wouldn't, now if it were a survival necessity yes...but honestly I couldn't do it. I have tried many things, things like other bugs, duck tongue, etc. but there are limits to what I would eat.