Burm kills 2 year old girl

[DireWolf0384]

I know I am not going to make many friends saying this, but they have a point about why they are trying to ban these. It is hard to enforce a law keeping people from releasing ANY Non-Native animals into the wild. There should be MORE rescue organizations out there, to take in these. In my state, there are very few of them to take in large constrictors, crocodillians and other large reptiles and other non-native animals. Also, IMO, large pet stores like Petco and Petsmart do not stress how big Pythons can get, they are out there for one reason and that's to make a sale. Somehow the hobby needs to enforce itself. :?

 

[ballpython2]

I know I am not going to make many friends saying this, but they have a point about why they are trying to ban these. It is hard to enforce a law keeping people from releasing ANY Non-Native animals into the wild. There should be MORE rescue organizations out there, to take in these. In my state, there are very few of them to take in large constrictors, crocodillians and other large reptiles and other non-native animals. Also, IMO, large pet stores like Petco and Petsmart do not stress how big Pythons can get, they are out there for one reason and that's to make a sale. Somehow the hobby needs to enforce itself. :?

Petco and Petsmart are not responsible for the size any snake gets after a customer buys it. both stores have mini caresheets that come with the animal of choice. Parents need to STOP just buying animals cause little billy wants it or he wont stop crying. And more research needs to be done by these parents and other adults who buy ANY animal from the store. I would never sue the pet store because my child let some animal into the wild because it got too big or for any other reason because it would be my fault not the stores. Parents nowadays RARILY take the blame for any wrong things they do or the kids do they rather blame it on someone else and sue them even though its their fault...Pet store are not liable for anything that happens to animals or their care takers after a purchase is made and I'm glad they cant get sued. A kid throws a rock into a car window and the mother is ready to sue the ROCK or the owner...I mean really folks lets wake up here...DO the research or dont buy the snake/frog/ferret etc.

 

[pitbulllady]

There have been true reports of cobras in the U.S. in which the animal is recovered. Just don't have the articles handy right now. There was also a zoo in TX that lost a tree viper. In WV authorities shot down a tiger 14 miles away from it's "home." This stuff does happen. This case may be inconclusive but there have been conclusive cases before. If they were animals released by ARs or lied about by ARs than fine. But you can't claim them all to be lies or AR releases. In North Carolina a herpetoligist confirmed seeing them but being unable to catch them. But that could be part of the possible AR game. Or just an idiot. Remember, college does not equal smarts.
Either way, wasn't there an HSUS member that bombed a puppy mill a while ago? Or is that, in your opinion, a fabrication as well.
TBH

AR people bomb, vandalize and set fire to mink farms, chicken farms, "puppy mills"(anyone who owns an intact female dog is, to them, a "puppy mill"), research labs, etc. all the time. In their way of thinking, animals are better off dead than being with people in any capacity at all. The HSUS's Senior Field Officer, John "JP" Goodwin, is a convicted felon, convicted of what was, at that time, felony arson of a mink ranch, but given the nature of his attack, and his membership in the ALF, would now be classified as an act of domestic terrorism. These people will go to any means necessary to get their point across, and I have no trouble believing that this would involve deliberate releases of exotic animals in places where they're trying to push for a ban on such, to further their cause. I don't put anything at all past them, really. HSUS is the most dangerous of the lot, because they have the most money and because of their name-"Humane" Society. People support them and give credence to what they do, because people believe that they actually rescue animals and maintain shelters for them. They DON'T! As one Ohio Agricultural Dept. recently put it, they're "PETA with nicer suits and more expensive watches." They are one of the sponsors behind Nelson's FEDERAL ban on ALL Python species, including Ball Pythons, as well as a Federal ban on all "exotic" animals. There is absolutely nothing that is below them, if it helps achieve their goal.

pitbulllady

 

[ThomasH]

I know I am not going to make many friends saying this, but they have a point about why they are trying to ban these. It is hard to enforce a law keeping people from releasing ANY Non-Native animals into the wild. There should be MORE rescue organizations out there, to take in these. In my state, there are very few of them to take in large constrictors, crocodillians and other large reptiles and other non-native animals. Also, IMO, large pet stores like Petco and Petsmart do not stress how big Pythons can get, they are out there for one reason and that's to make a sale. Somehow the hobby needs to enforce itself. :?

Ban? No. Licensing/Permitting system? Yes. In Fl. they have a permitting system, care regs, and radio chipping standards for burms. That didn't stop this. Any law banning release wouldn't work. Most invasives come from miscellaneous frieght anyway. They just hitch hike without anyone's knowledge until it is too late. [In most cases of introduced sp., not burms.] It isn't petco's/petsmart's fault. They don't typically sell any herps bigger than a Boa or a Sav. I've never seen Burms at a petco/petsmart.
TBH

 

[ric]

i dont know about cobras,but i live a few minutes from everglades national park and go in the bush at night alone.last year i nearly steped on a small 3'python.i picked it up,was friendly,i wouldn't wanna be surprised by a twenty footer though.so yeah they have to be exterminated!

 

[DireWolf0384]

Ban? No. Licensing/Permitting system? Yes. In Fl. they have a permitting system, care regs, and radio chipping standards for burms. That didn't stop this. Any law banning release wouldn't work. Most invasives come from miscellaneous frieght anyway. They just hitch hike without anyone's knowledge until it is too late. [In most cases of introduced sp., not burms.] It isn't petco's/petsmart's fault. They don't typically sell any herps bigger than a Boa or a Sav. I've never seen Burms at a petco/petsmart.
TBH

Yeah, I would be for a Permit System run by the state, but I don't think a outright ban would do any good either. There are millions of people who depend on the pet industry. A permit system to buy them might work out better. I do not think a permit system needed to sell the animals would be a good idea. If it was too expensive for a pet store to get the permit or license, smaller stores could not afford it and all we would have left are large chains that don't sell specialty animals. :?

 

[fantasticp]

....and to think I convinced myself not to get the beautiful argentine boa I've wanted for a while because I was worried about my cat being mischevious and getting in its cage somehow! Why do the child-drowning-in-the-pool or child-getting-maimed-by-whatever parents rarely end up in jail? Shouldn't you be responsible for your kid at all times, not just when you are looking?

 

[Nomadinexile]

Some AR hatin' dang

O.K. First, I live in Texas, and am a supporter of peoples rights to own whatever the heck they want if they treat it decently and can support it financial, have enough space, etc...

But, I also believe in animal rights. A lot of it anyway. There is a lot of messed up stuff out there. Do I think peta is silly? yes. But I have met many animal rights activist over the years, from mainstream to ultra-radical. Most of them have been vary nice people, who care as much for humans as animals. They just don't think animals should be abused. Just like us..... They may have different ideas of what's what, but they are doing this from a kind and thoughtful perspective. I don't know about every animal activist though. Just like I don't know about every Tarantula owner.... Sometimes I wonder why someone needs 100 death stalker scorpions....
Or the family guys with a rattlesnake farm in the backyard....

There are messed up people of all stripes, shades, and from all sides of the political spectrum. You can't take away the thoughtful work by many wonderful people for decades and lump it in with one or two wackos. And none of those wackos have ever hurt anyone either by the way. You use a lot of violent words to describe actions that didn't actually hurt anyone. And most importantly, I want you to know, that unless an individual is just deranged, gone off the deep end, no animal rights activist would ever release any non-native species anywhere. EVER. If you think otherwise, I would encourage you to read some of their material. Go to a local office and meet some of them. You are so far from the truth..... Oh, and most AR activist I have met, have animals. So your belief that they think they should all be dead is also nowhere near true. You may not agree with their tactics, but you don't have to over dramatize and flat out lie to get your point across. Most animal rights activist are good people. Maybe ahead of their time,.. but certainly not monsters... there are some that are ridiculous, I know, I really do.... But for every one like that, there are 19 that are more than decent people... Peace, Ryan

AR people bomb, vandalize and set fire to mink farms, chicken farms, "puppy mills"(anyone who owns an intact female dog is, to them, a "puppy mill"), research labs, etc. all the time. In their way of thinking, animals are better off dead than being with people in any capacity at all. The HSUS's Senior Field Officer, John "JP" Goodwin, is a convicted felon, convicted of what was, at that time, felony arson of a mink ranch, but given the nature of his attack, and his membership in the ALF, would now be classified as an act of domestic terrorism. These people will go to any means necessary to get their point across, and I have no trouble believing that this would involve deliberate releases of exotic animals in places where they're trying to push for a ban on such, to further their cause. I don't put anything at all past them, really. HSUS is the most dangerous of the lot, because they have the most money and because of their name-"Humane" Society. People support them and give credence to what they do, because people believe that they actually rescue animals and maintain shelters for them. They DON'T! As one Ohio Agricultural Dept. recently put it, they're "PETA with nicer suits and more expensive watches." They are one of the sponsors behind Nelson's FEDERAL ban on ALL Python species, including Ball Pythons, as well as a Federal ban on all "exotic" animals. There is absolutely nothing that is below them, if it helps achieve their goal.

pitbulllady

 

[Aztek]

.... Sometimes I wonder why someone needs 100 death stalker scorpions....
Or the family guys with a rattlesnake farm in the backyard....

Why didn't you use one of your precious Tarantulas as an example??
Pfft, scorpions alwaaayyss get the shot end

 

[Carrot]

Animal Rights = People and animals are equal. So no hunting them or breeding them for meat, eggs, milk, fur, leather, pets, etc., since it would be unethetical to do these things to humans.

I think you mean you are for Animal Welfare instead of Animal Rights.

And I consider destroying/damaging someone's property as harming them. I know the majority do not engage in property destruction though.

Oh, and most AR activist I have met, have animals. So your belief that they think they should all be dead is also nowhere near true

Its not that they want existing animals to be killed (besides maybe those in charge of PETA and the HSUS ), but to spay/neutered/never breed them so that eventually domestic animals no longer exist, since domestic animals exist for our use/entertainment. They find this cruel and unethical, since they will never be totally free and are dependent on humans, unlike wild animals.

"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind," -- Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Animals, May/June 1993.

As for the snake incident, I feel really bad for everyone involved. Both of them will have to live the rest of their lives knowing they were both responsible for the little girl's death.

Its also sad that this accident will probably cause harm to the reptile hobby, even though it could have been easily prevented had the man or woman had any common sense.

 

[RoachGirlRen]

Oh, and most AR activist I have met, have animals. So your belief that they think they should all be dead is also nowhere near true. You may not agree with their tactics, but you don't have to over dramatize and flat out lie to get your point across. Most animal rights activist are good people. Maybe ahead of their time,.. but certainly not monsters... there are some that are ridiculous, I know, I really do.... But for every one like that, there are 19 that are more than decent people... Peace, Ryan

Thank you!

I hate that extremists have perverted the actual goals of animal rights & animal welfare and created so many gross, hate-inspiring misconceptions about each movement.

Let's get a few things clear.

Animal rights philosophy is completely, diametrically opposed to animal exploitation & violence by humans. Anyone who is truly a philosophical follower of animal rights does indeed oppose breeding & keeping pets - but they also don't support killing them, or other animals, for any reason. Such individuals would never, ever think it justifiable to kill any animal to make a point; it flies in the face of everything they believe in. Likewise, they would never release animals into a habitat where they have marginal chances for survival or could disrupt the lives of other animals. Liberationists will sometimes release captive native animals back into the wild, though, I will give you that.

Animal welfare philosophy is not opposed to animal exploitation except in its most extreme forms (ie. outright brutality for an unimportant reason, such as dog fighting), and suggests that we may use animals as we please so long as we do so in a humane, mindful fashion. Most reasonable people believe in animal welfare to at least some extent. Animal welfarists actually ARE ok with killing animals, though generally only if they consider it to be for the animal's own welfare. Again, they would be unlikely to kill animals for strictly ideological reasons, and unlikely to release animals to an uncertain fate.

The third category is confusing wackjobs that both animal rights and animal welfare people despise. These people have some diabolical blend that takes the worst of the two philosophies and dumps a dose of crazy on top. "I'm opposed to having companion animals, so instead of the reasonable stance of zero reproduction, I will kill animals because they are better off dead than slaves to humanity!" "I think animals don't belong in cages, so let me free these parrots in Canada/domesticated rabbits in woods!" "I think pit bulls are exploited so I support them being banned and killed!" Though we associate these ideas with main stream animal rights, mainly due to the confusion generated by PETA and similarly morally confused groups, it is the noisy exception and not the quiet norm. NO self respecting animal rights or animal welfare advocate thinks that this is acceptable. Folks like that are a major minority in both movements.

Seriously, I see posts of folks absolutely OUTRAGED at this insanity on some of the most prominent hardline animal rights forums on the web. These are people who think it is unacceptable to watch a movie with a live horse in it or kill a rodent infestation. Their beliefs are one of non-violence towards animals in its most extreme form, and has no room nor tolerance for the illogical fringe beliefs of a few rabid ideologues.

 

[Wild Cat]

I watched some of the news footage and the guy left the snake in a snake bag and then dropped it into a tank or box WITHOUT a lid... if u ask me, snakes kill to eat..not for fun. All they know is survival. Snakes don't say...hummmm I think I am going to kill someone today.... Sadly the people that own and care for snakes the right way will suffer.:evil:

 

[ballpython2]

I watched some of the news footage and the guy left the snake in a snake bag and then dropped it into a tank or box WITHOUT a lid... if u ask me, snakes kill to eat..not for fun. All they know is survival. Snakes don't say...hummmm I think I am going to kill someone today.... Sadly the people that own and care for snakes the right way will suffer.:evil:

I dont live in FL nor am I a politician of any sort but you guys/gals in FL should really be thanking them for NOT banning any exotics or not making any hard fast rules up to this point.

They could have done this YEARS ago and they still are over looking peoples mistakes even if they are costing lives. but i cant say it will stay like this.

Yall better talk to ya peer floridians about their not so good pet "keeping" lol....Good luck with everything....

I live in Massachusetts and I can promise you if this happened more than for times (generally speaking not even in a certain amount of years or weeks etc) the politicians here would be trying to ban WORMS from living in the dirt.

They are already trying to make something called a "bad breed list" and can you guess what dog will go at the top if they ever make it?...You guessed correctly!!!:clap: :clap: ..The pit bull!...Even though recently a GERMAN SHEPARD (POLICE DOG no less) attacked a woman and her mini pincheser....But do you think it would end up on the "bad breed list"? of course it wouldnt....Can you guess why? lol :clap: :clap: