Brown watersnake had babies

[crpy]

man that is a purdy snake PBL

 

[pitbulllady]

Well, MINE had HER babies today while I was at work. 41 live-no, that's not a typo and I didn't mean to type "14"-41 live and two still-borns, plus four infertile "slugs". There's definitely a lot of color variation within the litter, though I can't say for sure if any are actual hypos like the mom. I've got to get them in a taller enclosure, since they shoot right out of the Kritter Keeper they are in right now, and they're really fast little buggers! Only one has even struck at me, when I had to make a grab at him after he slipped through my fingers and hit the ground running...er, crawling REALLY fast!

pitbulllady

 

[hardlucktattoo]

Well, MINE had HER babies today while I was at work. 41 live-no, that's not a typo and I didn't mean to type "14"-41 live and two still-borns, plus four infertile "slugs". There's definitely a lot of color variation within the litter, though I can't say for sure if any are actual hypos like the mom. I've got to get them in a taller enclosure, since they shoot right out of the Kritter Keeper they are in right now, and they're really fast little buggers! Only one has even struck at me, when I had to make a grab at him after he slipped through my fingers and hit the ground running...er, crawling REALLY fast!

pitbulllady

They are quick little buggers aren't they all of mine have gone through their first shed I too have had only one strike at me as they shed their color will become more predominate Im gonna try to get some more pics tomorrow of them

 

[hardlucktattoo]

New picture of the babies

 

[crpy]

great now I can comment, beautiful little guys

 

[pitbulllady]

New picture of the babies

These look like my babies, Hardlucktattoo. These are definitely Midlands, not Brown, Water Snakes. Browns have a more checkerboard-type pattern, a lot like a checkered Garter, and have a rather Anaconda-like head. The strong-contrast banded pattern is a good indicator of N. sipedon plueralis. Some of these appear that they're going to be high-red specimens later.

pitbulllady

 

[crpy]

Color me confused

 

[hardlucktattoo]

These look like my babies, Hardlucktattoo. These are definitely Midlands, not Brown, Water Snakes. Browns have a more checkerboard-type pattern, a lot like a checkered Garter, and have a rather Anaconda-like head. The strong-contrast banded pattern is a good indicator of N. sipedon plueralis. Some of these appear that they're going to be high-red specimens later.

pitbulllady

I was wrong about the initial Id but I am almost convinced they are northern water snakes My only reason being I dont believe Midlands are native to NC but I may be wrong the mother was W/C so I dunno I didnt even know she was gravid till she popped out the babies and disappeared Also here is a better pic of the mother

 

[pitbulllady]

The Midlands Water Snake IS a subspecies of the Northern Water Snake, Nerodia sipedon, given the taxon of N.s. pleuralis. They are one of the most common snakes in North Carolina, actually, according to Dr. Whit Gibbons' book, Snakes of the Southeast. They are actually much more common throughout NC than in SC, where their range in limited to the more northwestern quadrant of the state. We don't have them where I live, on the Coastal Plain. We have Florida Bandeds(N. fasciata), Redbellies(N. erythrogaster), and Browns(N. taxispilota), with Redbellies being the most common, but no Northerns.

pitbulllady

 

[hardlucktattoo]

The Midlands Water Snake IS a subspecies of the Northern Water Snake, Nerodia sipedon, given the taxon of N.s. pleuralis. They are one of the most common snakes in North Carolina, actually, according to Dr. Whit Gibbons' book, Snakes of the Southeast. They are actually much more common throughout NC than in SC, where their range in limited to the more northwestern quadrant of the state. We don't have them where I live, on the Coastal Plain. We have Florida Bandeds(N. fasciata), Redbellies(N. erythrogaster), and Browns(N. taxispilota), with Redbellies being the most common, but no Northerns.

pitbulllady

Yea I found that out a little while ago I was researching it online Well at least now I know what they are

 

[pitbulllady]

Here's some of my babies; this pile contains roughly 1/3 of the litter, lol! They separated themselves into three separate piles in different parts of their enclosure, for some reason.

Here's a close-up of one of the lighter-colored babies, which could very well be a hypo. He appears to have black bands, but upon seeing the up-close pic, I can see that his bands are more of a chocolate color. He also has a red tongue(not visible), while most of them have black tongues. He should turn out to be a really nice-looking snake.

There are 40 left alive. Two were still-born, and a runt died the next day.

pitbulllady

 

[JohnEDove]

It could just be my old eyes but I see about 5 in that group photo that are showing lots of red.

 

[pitbulllady]

It could just be my old eyes but I see about 5 in that group photo that are showing lots of red.

A LOT of them are showing red, out of the entire litter, but it's really hard to count how many "high-reds" there are, vs. how many "normals" there are, since there are so many, and they never sit still for more than a second. They are either all in a snake pile, or they're shooting all over the place like a bunch of little crack-heads! I know that most brightly-colored wild snakes don't start out bright-colored at all; look at Corns, for instance. If these babies look this nice before their first shed, I figure they will look really impressive as adults. I've never seen a hypo like the mom as a baby, only adults, though, so I don't know how these actually "stack up" against what she looked like at this age. They look nicer than baby Bandeds or baby Redbellies I've seen, and some of those turn out to be really colorful snakes as adults. It will be interesting to see how these guys turn out, but I can't keep all 40-the cost of fish for that many snakes would exceed my own grocery bill per month!

pitbulllady

 

[hardlucktattoo]

A LOT of them are showing red, out of the entire litter, but it's really hard to count how many "high-reds" there are, vs. how many "normals" there are, since there are so many, and they never sit still for more than a second. They are either all in a snake pile, or they're shooting all over the place like a bunch of little crack-heads! I know that most brightly-colored wild snakes don't start out bright-colored at all; look at Corns, for instance. If these babies look this nice before their first shed, I figure they will look really impressive as adults. I've never seen a hypo like the mom as a baby, only adults, though, so I don't know how these actually "stack up" against what she looked like at this age. They look nicer than baby Bandeds or baby Redbellies I've seen, and some of those turn out to be really colorful snakes as adults. It will be interesting to see how these guys turn out, but I can't keep all 40-the cost of fish for that many snakes would exceed my own grocery bill per month!

pitbulllady

I know the feeling do you have any substrate in the enclosure any thing for them to hide under mine are buried most of the time until they come out of the ground like little zombies but they are cute little buggers

 

[pitbulllady]

I know the feeling do you have any substrate in the enclosure any thing for them to hide under mine are buried most of the time until they come out of the ground like little zombies but they are cute little buggers

They're on newspaper. They love to hide underneath it, though, and often when I check up on them, there'll be all these little heads sticking out from under the paper, that will quickly disappear when they see that big red-headed monster looming over them! They actually sorta "sandwich" themselves between layers of the paper. It is easier to clean paper than to constantly change other substrates, with as much as these guys poop, even though they haven't eaten yet. I just dumped that pile out from between layers so I could take their picture before they scattered. That's how they seem to stay, though, in three or four separate piles at different spots between paper layers. You can see bulges under the paper that give away their positions, if there are no heads sticking up.

pitbulllady

 

[hardlucktattoo]

They're on newspaper. They love to hide underneath it, though, and often when I check up on them, there'll be all these little heads sticking out from under the paper, that will quickly disappear when they see that big red-headed monster looming over them! They actually sorta "sandwich" themselves between layers of the paper. It is easier to clean paper than to constantly change other substrates, with as much as these guys poop, even though they haven't eaten yet. I just dumped that pile out from between layers so I could take their picture before they scattered. That's how they seem to stay, though, in three or four separate piles at different spots between paper layers. You can see bulges under the paper that give away their positions, if there are no heads sticking up.

pitbulllady

Lol thats probably what I should switch to I have them on peat moss and im constantly cleaning out their water they are dirty little buggers

 

[hardlucktattoo]

Clutch #2

Here are a pic of some of the babies from the second clutch I dont know what to do Im already up to my eyeballs in snakes
EVERYONE AROUND HERE FREAKS OUT CAUSE THE THINK THEY ARE VENOMOUS no matter how many times I say that they are not Plus I keep getting Flagged on CL man I hate the human race sometimes

As you can see this one has a lot more RCFs

 

[pitbulllady]

Here are a pic of some of the babies from the second clutch I dont know what to do Im already up to my eyeballs in snakes
EVERYONE AROUND HERE FREAKS OUT CAUSE THE THINK THEY ARE VENOMOUS no matter how many times I say that they are not Plus I keep getting Flagged on CL man I hate the human race sometimes

As you can see this one has a lot more RCFs

Uhm, those a baby CORNS, HLT, which probably explains why there are so many "RCF's", lol!

Mind explaining WHY the idiots on Craig's List keep flagging you? Are they seriously stupid enough to think these are venomous snakes? You DO know that Craig's List is a hotbed for PETA/HSUS cultists, right? ANYONE who breeds animals of any kind, or allows any animal reproduction to take place, is "The Enemy" in their eyes, since it interferes with their goal of an Animal-Free Society.

pitbulllady

 

[Skullptor]

I saw your post on CL...briefly. I got flagged for selling spiders too.

misinformed fools

 

[DavidD]

Im boaconstrictors freind with the water. Shes puppy tame. And you have a broad banded