Breeding loans

[KingCrawshayi#1]

Hi Steve, first I would say your work with the Australian Ts is awsome I wish we had a person on here that lived in Indonesia Sumatra, Borneo, Congo, Cameroon etc...... That did the work on their native Ts the way you do. As for Crawshayi yes I am the first recognized in the US to successfully breed Crawshayi. Guy Tansly did it first though in the UK. It was his work that inspired me to start mine. I will always work with this species as well as Hystercrates and Chilobracys. It is every hobbiest duty to captive breed, weather its Hystercrates,Grammostola,Therephosa,Haploplema,Brachypelma,Avicularia,Selenocosmia the list goes on and on...... Everyone should do some captive breeding of there own personal favorites. And for those who have tried but failed keep trying, those who have produced captive breed and born keep doing. Just my thoughts Steve Thanks Chris.....

 

[Steve Nunn]

Thanks Chris. I think Guy's work as an enthusiast is nothing short of inspiring. I agree with your thoughts on breeding too, something everyone who is seriously interested in should try.

What Hysterocrates spp. are you planning on breeding?

Steve

 

[Joy]

Originally posted by Steve Nunn
Hi,
Tell me, if you guys a wanting to breed a particular species, do you obtain as many males as possible for breeding purposes, or just remain content with one male? And what % of males in your care have died breeding?

Thanks,
Steve

For species I have a special interest in, I buy groups of spiderlings and raise them up in order to have a supply of males. I agree, having multiple males is an excellent way to improve the chances of a successful mating, but only rarely have I had 2 operative at the same time using this system.

The vast majority of the breeding I've done has been because people had males mature and wanted them to have a shot at producing offspring. If I have a mature female of the appropriate species, I'll usually give it a try. Owners of male L. parahybanas need not apply, however! Tony's experience is an awful example to us all, LOL

I have had only 2 males die during supervised matings. 3 more died during cohabitation set-ups, but there's not much you can do about those, of course. I've always been able to prevent the female from killing the male during supervised matings EXCEPT when she chose to kill him BEFORE the mating as happened once with a C. crawshayi and once with a L. cristata.

Whether my prowess with the wooden spoon is a good thing is a moot point. As Chris says (hi, Chris!), there's some evidence that letting the female kill the male post-mate may improve the chances of getting a successful eggsac. But when the male is somebody's cherished pet, they aren't always open to this point of view!

Joy

 

[WYSIWYG]

Originally posted by Joy
Owners of male L. parahybanas need not apply, however! Tony's experience is an awful example to us all, LOL

Joy

Ok, enlighten me, please. I'm not sure I've seen what Tony's experience was? Did it have anything to do with ending up wtih 1000s of slings running all over the place? :?

Wysi

 

[Botar]

I think the number was over 2600. Ugh!

Botar

 

[Phillip]

Some things to consider.....

I can certainly see where frustration sets in after hearing nothing for a while and I am not attempting to defend anyone who doesn't ever get back in touch but I feel there are a couple of points to consider that haven't really been touched on.

When I have someones male I don't drop an e-mail every week simply for the fact that I don't want to get anyones hopes up except my own until I actually have good news to give. It's bad enough having a sack go bad or get munched but it only compounds it when you do something like say toss out a pic saying hey Botar check out our sack only to have it get chomped less than 24 hours later. lol I guess my way of thinking is this I would rather call and tell you I have some slings to send you rather than get you all cranked up and counting the babies only to have something go wrong before they hatch. Now at the same time I do try and stay in touch but sometimes with everything going on here I have been known to let an update slip by. I do however keep records of what came from who so I really don't worry too much about it as when babies pop out I know who half belong to.

And on the paying for shipping males I can see the feeling of it isn't worth it but you have to be realistic. When you have a mature male T what do you actually have? If there is not a female in your collection then you have a doomed T on a fast ticking clock that will certainly not do any good at all unless it at least gets a shot at breeding. My feeling has always been better to send him out on a long shot than to have him die for nothing as if babies come from it I will more than recoup my shipping cost.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

Phil

 

[WYSIWYG]

Originally posted by monantony
Hey
2605
I read the posts in this thread and I agree with LaRiz and the others. The more you know someone or who has a reputation the more you can rest assured. With the parahybana I tried to keep Scott Bemis apprised and I took lots of pics. I have sent out males, but when you hear nothing back it drives ya nuts.....
Tony

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!! *faint*

So what do you do in that situation? Put a few in vials right away (in the hopes of saving some females) and allow the rest to cannibalize? Or did you actually acquire 2605 containers to bottle all those critters? =D

Wysi

 

[LPacker79]

So what do you do in that situation? Put a few in vials right away (in the hopes of saving some females) and allow the rest to cannibalize? Or did you actually acquire 2605 containers to bottle all those critters?

LOL you start a contest and get rid of some. :} I've got 14 of Tony's slings here and they came all together in a vial. Could you imagine having 2605 tiny containers? Open a vial, feed a sling...open a vial, feed a sling......x 2605.

BTW Tony....all the slings have molted and are eating like little piggies.

 

[WYSIWYG]

Originally posted by LPacker79
LOL you start a contest and get rid of some. :} I've got 14 of Tony's slings here and they came all together in a vial. Could you imagine having 2605 tiny containers? Open a vial, feed a sling...open a vial, feed a sling......x 2605.

BTW Tony....all the slings have molted and are eating like little piggies.

Interesting.....so did he send you 15 and maybe one got eaten or did he send you 14 and they all made it?

That's really funny stuff. Despite the high numbers, I really hope my LP turns out to be a female. At the rate she's growing, I
imagine it maybe be another 2 or 3 years before she's ready to
breed though. ;P

Wysi (Who Needs a New Keyboard Because Hers Keeps Skipping!)

 

[LPacker79]

Interesting.....so did he send you 15 and maybe one got eaten or did he send you 14 and they all made it?

He sent 15, and I believe one got eaten during transit. There was one sling that was quite fat!
So I've got 14 tiny slings and another L. parahybana that's almost 3". Now.......what to do with 15 parahybanas? :?

 

[Botar]

Re: Some things to consider.....

Originally posted by Phillip
I can certainly see where frustration sets in after hearing nothing for a while and I am not attempting to defend anyone who doesn't ever get back in touch but I feel there are a couple of points to consider that haven't really been touched on.

When I have someones male I don't drop an e-mail every week simply for the fact that I don't want to get anyones hopes up except my own until I actually have good news to give. It's bad enough having a sack go bad or get munched but it only compounds it when you do something like say toss out a pic saying hey Botar check out our sack only to have it get chomped less than 24 hours later. lol I guess my way of thinking is this I would rather call and tell you I have some slings to send you rather than get you all cranked up and counting the babies only to have something go wrong before they hatch. Now at the same time I do try and stay in touch but sometimes with everything going on here I have been known to let an update slip by. I do however keep records of what came from who so I really don't worry too much about it as when babies pop out I know who half belong to.

And on the paying for shipping males I can see the feeling of it isn't worth it but you have to be realistic. When you have a mature male T what do you actually have? If there is not a female in your collection then you have a doomed T on a fast ticking clock that will certainly not do any good at all unless it at least gets a shot at breeding. My feeling has always been better to send him out on a long shot than to have him die for nothing as if babies come from it I will more than recoup my shipping cost.

Just my 2 cents on the matter.

Phil

I agree with you on the fact that you might as well send him out. I just think the expense of the shipping should be shifted to the owner of the female. Then if there are slings, the owner could be reimbursed for the shipping costs, if need be.

As for contact, I wouldn't expect a great deal either. However, in our situation (with the T. blondi, B. vagans, and P. regalis), neither of us have disappeared. We're always right here. It's where you find someone that isn't from this site, or doesn't visit often, and then you never hear from them again. Although, I must say, I still prefer to ship them off than to let them go to waste.

Botar

 

[Code Monkey]

Re: Re: Some things to consider.....

Originally posted by Botar
I agree with you on the fact that you might as well send him out. I just think the expense of the shipping should be shifted to the owner of the female. Then if there are slings, the owner could be reimbursed for the shipping costs, if need be.

I don't see the problem with the male owner paying the shipping for two reasons.

First, convenience; the way everything works now there's no need for money to exchange hands except in the case that you want the recipient to either ship back or forward the male to another female. In that case, you still don't have to provide money but some pre-paid postage. I guess I may be thinking from a different perspective, I would just send the male priority and it would cost me, what?, $5 tops. If you're in the habit of shipping all these things o/n then cost might seem like something more worth bickering over.

Second, reality check. *If* you've done your homework and are reasonably certain of the person you're shipping to, a mature female is a mature female. The only real tricky issue is when she's going to moult next but that's pretty much out of the control of everyone. The mature male, however, definitely has a very narrow window of optimal breedability. Having the male owner pay shipping prevents, or at least helps to prevent, the shipping out of males that would be better off left at home.

 

[Tangled WWWeb]

Re: Re: Re: Some things to consider.....

The mature male, however, definitely has a very narrow window of optimal breedability. Having the male owner pay shipping prevents, or at least helps to prevent, the shipping out of males that would be better off left at home. [/B][/QUOTE]


That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Also, the owner of the female will already have to provide any care necessary for the resulting eggsac, as well as the male. I realize that the costs involved in this are negligible, but to add to those the cost of shipping the male hardly seems fair.


I think that Steve Nunn raises a valid question about the use of multiple males. I have seen on one popular website that if more than one male is used that any offspring will be split evenly between all parties. That sounds fair, but should the owner of the original male be informed that this may occur before they ship their male out? Conceivably, they might opt to send their male to someone who was going to use him exclusively. This obviously would be of less concern with more prolific species. Conversely, with species that routinely produce fewer than 100 slings your share of the offspring could get pretty small, depending on how many males were used.