Bonnetina cyaneifemur

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hello All!
Maybe this would be of some help to You in Your research:
B. cyaneifemur description: http://gea.free.fr/old/bonnetinacyaneifemur.htm
B. rudloffi description: http://gea.free.fr/old/bonnetinarudloffi.htm

 

[GoTerps]

So, to sum a few things up....

"It (B. rudloffi)is readily distinguished from the type species, B. cyaneifemur, by its thicker embolus, serrated apical embolic keel and presence of a proximal retrolateral cluster of granules on metatarsus I. Bonnetina rudloffi differs further from the type species by its reduced blue femoral colouration, ocular arrangement and divided scopula on metatarsus IV. The retrolateral tibial apophysis on leg I is also smaller than that of B. cyaneifemur, with two long spines set behind two triangular, dentiform spines."


The retrolateral apophysis has 4 spines in B. rudloffi versus 3 in B. cyaneifemur.

Femur III, although slightly swollen in B. rudloffi, is much less swollen than seen in B. cyaneifemur.

(* But is this seen in females too? As far as I can tell only the male of B. rudloffi was described.)

"The femurs also carry very light bluish reflections. They do not have however the strong blue colouring which was worth its name with B. cyaneifemur".

The embolus is larger in B. rudloffi than in B. cyaneifemur.

"The ocular group does not have the form quasi circular form which one finds in B. cyaneifemur. A prolongation of the tumulus practically advances to the edge of the carapace in B. rudloffi. The ocular provision is moreover different between the two species."

Unlike in B. cyaneifemur, the tarsal scopulae of leg IV is distinctly divided in B rudloffi.


*It's hard for me to tell, but was all of this based on a single specimen?

 

[GoTerps]

Tom,

Can you by chance take some macro shots of your male showing the apophysis and bulb?

Do you have any shots of the spermatheace of your female?

Eric

 

[Sharpy808]

Thnx a bunch for taking the time to post that Eric.

Now I have another question, quite confused here atm.

Larger of my 2 slings was about 1-1/4 to 1-1/2 Ls. It molted last week sometime im guessing (it NEVER comes out of its burrow). Ok so fed it today and it missed on the first attempt and actually came fully out into the open. To my amazement its about 2-1/2 Ls now. Heres where things get a little wierd. (Not great with the taxonomy but heres my best shot) Pedipalps, both left and right, missing the toe and it apears that it had a bad molt and lost them. There is a noticable glossy lump on the left leg and almost looks simular on the right leg (almost just like the boxing gloves). Figured this to be a clotting from the bad molt. But upon inspection of leg I it sure looks to me like it has hooks :? But the thing isnt even a year old yet....

Ok so to simplify this rambling.... was it indeed a bad molt and there is what appears to be a tibial spur that is just common to this species... or... do I really have a male already? Just doesnt seem possible to me for this size/age.

I tried to get pictures, took like 20, but none of them good enough to post for photo ID. 8 year old camera with crappy macro...

P.S. already made note to self to up the humidy

 

[Philth]

B. rudloffi

Hey Eric. Thanks for the great info. I dont think I'll ever find my females old exuvia, but heres a pic I took from back then. Not the best pic since I dont have the right equipment for that shot, but you get the idea.

Im hoping if I have time tomorrow to get the pics of the male you requested.

Later, Tom

 

[tarcan]

Eric,

In the paper of B. cyaneifemur, Fabian says he used one mature male but he also comments about one male he collected in Mexico himself. And some exuvias (2) for the female.

For B. rudloffi, he says several specimens were given to him, but he only talks about one mature male studied for the description.

It's all I can see in the paper.

Martin

 

[Philth]

Bonnetina rudloffi

Bonnetina rudloffi .....:? I dont think I'll get much better than that with my cam. I'm working on other pics of the dead male. I looked at the tarsal scopulae of leg IV under my scope , and it didn't apppear to be divided to me. Although Im just a hobbiest playing around, I'd be interested in a second opinoin.

Later, Tom

 

[GoTerps]

Tom and Martin, I've been out of town for a number of days, but I'll reply with my thoughts soon!

Eric

 

[Philth]

Thanks Eric.

I wont be able to get a pic of the tibial apophysis , its just to small for my cam to pic up. Although I should mention that under my scope I do see 4 spines. Although it dosent match either pic in the 2 descriptions.:?

It has one "long spine" set behind 3 "triangular, dentiform spines."

I have a sketch of what it looks like but wont be able to scan it until tomorrow.

Id be interested in seeing more males and some cyaniefemur's

later, Tom

 

[Philth]

Excuse my crappy drawing, but you get the idea

 

[Sharpy808]

What is the minimum size to breed a female for this species? 2-1/2" ls good enough? Or need one more molt? My male is ready and I might power feed the female if need be to try a hook-up.

And on a second question, anyone know the typical breeding season? Since the cool down in temps here (FL) my male is going nuts. Wont hardly sit still at all.

Thnx.

 

[Sharpy808]

bump..............

 

[Hedorah99]

I am not sure of the minimum size. Sounds like you may want to wait one more molt. They are a new world species so breeding now and overwintering should work well for you. I have bred T's off season as well without a cooling period, so a later date may work as well.

 

[billopelma]

Give 'em a test drive and see if she shows any interest. Is the male roughly proportionate in size? It's a fairly small species, 2 1/2" isn't unreasonable.

Bill

 

[Philth]

B. rudloffi

I took home a new Microscope from work today. I now regret posting my drawing as I see things better with this scope. Now what do ya's think?

To me this male looks more like the description for B. cyaneifemur. I only looked at one leg and havent checked the other side yet. I would realy like to see a male, of what is indeed sold as cyaneifemur.

Later, Tom

 

[TeaTimeWithTs]

How big do they get I'm pretty sure I just received one from someone who thought it was a gbb