Bleeding leg help !

[JDS123]

Oh and those that hold it and pet it like it loves you lmao, no hope for you lol. Then again, no never mind your just weird lol.

 

[JDS123]

I know I'm pry irritating some of you. I'm sorry if we disagree with some of it but we just do. I love you all for what you do and your passion.

 

[Venom1080]

Good to see we all have our own opinions. Somebody mentioned "serious" keepers don't handle them. Get real, what makes you more serious..........good lord. All of the "serious" keepers I've know over the years got great enjoyment letting a versicolor walk from arm to arm. They can fall out of trees for crying out loud and survive.

Many have different "personalities " and once you are "experienced" or "serious" you can tell.

Like I said, snakes, rats, hamsters, mice, lizards especially like monitors and dragons can all bite you, get pissed, split out of site, damage a limb lose a tail.....

Everyone will argue about this till the end of days. Good thing this isn't a forum about keeping big cats or something Jesus.

Like I said, do they enjoy being handle, I think some don't want it at all but others don't give a shit and find it a chance to explore.

Those of you saying one strolling around or just sitting on your arm collecting drops of water off its legs or something is "not liking it" their is no way you can claim that. You just like me cannot mind read spiders for Gods sake.

Seriously. Oh and I don't hold them for a "rush". I hold them when they seem to be chill and interested and I enjoy the beauty of 2 of Gods creatures being together,the peaceful beauty of it.

Anyways, you all have valid points but some are ridiculous, that's just mine and many others opinions though.

Don't give me the "serious" keepers argument though. I'm 42 years old and have been way around the block and have known many "serious" keepers of all animals.

I agree with majority of what you guys say, it's not a kitten, it's not sitting waiting to be held.

It's not a couch buddy for watching tv lmao Jesus that's too crazy.

If I open the lid to my avic and it comes out of hide, goes up my hand and chills or wanders around, get real, you have no idea, maybe the avic is actually enjoying wandering for a little while and sensing new things.

Anyways like I said, we will always argue about this as long as we have ppl that act like things are all set in stone.

Hopefully what comes of this in the end is idiots stop handling them, and others who gain experience can safely have those awesome experiences from time to time.

The argument will never end though.

Especially on here, anyplace on line. Unless it's a couple of old farts like me that know we don't know it all. It can go on forever.

Whatever.

At least you raise interesting points instead of responding with insults.

 

[JDS123]

At least you raise interesting points instead of responding with insults.

we are all humans with our own opinions. Sure a lot of things are somewhat set in stone, but some just are not. We get trapped in our beliefs sometimes for ever. Its human nature. If we dont learn over time to stop hating on ppl over online discussions the world will become a worse place. We are never going to agree on everything. We may actually love someone to death that we think we hate on here because of some arguing. Just need to be good to eachother. Not always easy.

 

[Kendricks]

There is nothing wrong with handling a t. I handle my cockroaches and they are some of the most healthy roaches I've ever seen.

Mind. Blown.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Somebody mentioned "serious" keepers don't handle them. Get real, what makes you more serious..........good lord. All of the "serious" keepers I've know over the years got great enjoyment letting a versicolor walk from arm to arm.

People like you never keep in consideration a little detail. We are talking about venomous, in general hated/disliked by the average person, animals.

When/if a ban or a restriction should happen (and I can guarantee you, can happen) do you realize that a community where 7 out of 10 people are selfie weirdos with scorpions in their mouth or T's crawling everywhere their whole body... has zero to less credibility in front of politicians and such?

"serious" keepers, here in Italy, managed to fix the Arachnid ban occurred in 2003 simply providing, to those in charge, valid scientific facts (e.g facts about the 'real' venom potency of certain Arachnids, not 'Bar' talking) and providing that we were/are able to offer a valid, responsible keeping.

In front of those facts (aside of course kinda dictatorship) everyone is forced to 'sit down' at the table and talk.

A thing the Italian Arachnid community (historically, speaking about spiders in general, one of the most appreciated of Europe, thanks to Giacomo Doria) couldn't even think to achieve with crappy (and useless) behavior like 'handling'.

For that, by a normal people point of view, someone that handle a venomous animal is... nothing more than a freaking idiot asking for trouble, and frankly, considering that we had seen reckless fools perform 'selfies' with cobra, rattlesnake and such, can't disagree too much with that.

 

[Venom1080]

we are all humans with our own opinions. Sure a lot of things are somewhat set in stone, but some just are not. We get trapped in our beliefs sometimes for ever. Its human nature. If we dont learn over time to stop hating on ppl over online discussions the world will become a worse place. We are never going to agree on everything. We may actually love someone to death that we think we hate on here because of some arguing. Just need to be good to eachother. Not always easy.

Agreed. It'd be great if some spiders didn't mind handling.


However, I will never agree with people who put spiders in their mouths, or have 2 or more crawling over their face for selfies. Those people are probably my least favorite on earth, internet or not.

 

[JDS123]

People like you never keep in consideration a little detail. We are talking about venomous, in general hated/disliked by the average person, animals.

When/if a ban or a restriction should happen (and I can guarantee you, can happen) do you realize that a community where 7 out of 10 people are selfie weirdos with scorpions in their mouth or T's crawling everywhere their whole body... has zero to less credibility in front of politicians and such?

"serious" keepers, here in Italy, managed to fix the Arachnid ban occurred in 2003 simply providing, to those in charge, valid scientific facts (e.g facts about the 'real' venom potency of certain Arachnids, not 'Bar' talking) and providing that we were/are able to offer a valid, responsible keeping.

In front of those facts (aside of course kinda dictatorship) everyone is forced to 'sit down' at the table and talk.

A thing the Italian Arachnid community (historically, speaking about spiders in general, one of the most appreciated of Europe, thanks to Giacomo Doria) couldn't even think to achieve with crappy (and useless) behavior like 'handling'.

For that, by a normal people point of view, someone that handle a venomous animal is... nothing more than a freaking idiot asking for trouble, and frankly, considering that we had seen reckless fools perform 'selfies' with cobra, rattlesnake and such, can't disagree too much with that.

dont tell me what little details i dont keep into consideration. That is incorrect. Again Ive been doing this for 25 years or so. I just dont have the time to get that into it here. I can name hundreds of other circumstances and situations in the exotic pet keeping realm. Dont tell me what I dont keep in consideration just because you havnt heard me say it. Thank you.

 

[JDS123]

Agreed. It'd be great if some spiders didn't mind handling.


However, I will never agree with people who put spiders in their mouths, or have 2 or more crawling over their face for selfies. Those people are probably my least favorite on earth, internet or not.

I used to know the guy very well that put a bunch of scorpions in his mouth on the believe it or not, or Guinness book of records show on TV or whatever. He needed an ambulance ride after. Yeah Im not cool with any of that.

 

[JDS123]

Do you need a photo uploader here or can they just go direct from computer?

 

[Venom1080]

I used to know the guy very well that put a bunch of scorpions in his mouth on the believe it or not, or Guinness book of records show on TV or whatever. He needed an ambulance ride after. Yeah Im not cool with any of that.

Pfft. What a guy.

You can just upload files from your computer.

 

[Moakmeister]

There is nothing wrong with handling a t. I handle my cockroaches and they are some of the most healthy roaches I've ever seen.

Ohhhhhh

 

[Moakmeister]

The t likely didn't mind, as losing or injuring a limb is something that happens anyway in the wild.

Well I'd rather my tarantulas NOT have to endure hardships and injuries that they'd have to deal with in the wild. And losing a leg IS a friggin bad injury that's stressful bro.

Ans those saying you don't handle fish, any experienced fish owner know that a) they are not that fragile and b) you do have to handle them every now and again.

I have to hope you're kidding. You handle FISH? You great lummox.

 

[sasker]

In the end, this was a bad accident that will happen again and there is nothing we can do about it.

A bad accident that will happen again and nothing we can do about it? What about not handling?

The t likely didn't mind, as losing or injuring a limb is something that happens anyway in the wild.

True, studies suggest that monkeys in the wild actively search for tarantulas to walk around with and handle for their enjoyment. It is best to imitate nature as closely as possible at all times.


@JDS123 : Could you be so kind to leave God and Jesus out of the debate? Thanks!

 

[Moakmeister]

@JDS123 : Could you be so kind to leave God and Jesus out of the debate? Thanks!

He wasn't bring up Jesus or God, he was using "Jesus" to express exasperation, like "Jesus, this thread is dumb."

 

[sasker]

He wasn't bring up Jesus or God, he was using "Jesus" to express exasperation, like "Jesus, this thread is dumb."

That does not make it more appropriate

 

[Moakmeister]

That does not make it more appropriate

But... but... *sigh* I don't get it. Is an atheist objecting to someone taking the Lord's name in vain?

 

[sasker]

I don't want to start any religious debate. The treat about a bleeding leg spun enough out of control when the issue of handling was brought up

To answer your question, in one of his posts (#20) JDS123 used, as you put it, the Lord's name in vain, but he also referred to tarantulas as God's creations . I think most people on this board are not religious, but I am sure some people may find it offensive.

My message was more aimed at trying to take the heat out of the conversation. If you want to make your point, there is no need for cussing and swearing, nor to project one's religious views. Safe that for the watering hole. Keep the discussion nice and civilized.

But perhaps I am overthinking things...

 

[The Grym Reaper]

I think most people on this board are not religious, but I am sure some people may find it offensive.

Wait, you mean not everyone here believes in the divine teachings of the one true deity, the Benign Mother, Her Resplendent Rear Leggedness, The Goddess*? What kind of heresy is this?

Heathens... Heathens everywhere.

*0.1 Pelinobius muticus PBUH (Peace Be Upon Her)

 

[JDS123]

That does not make it more appropriate

i will not leave my beliefs out of my discussions. Offending someone for my belief is no different than them offending me for what I believe in. Fact is if you cant handle it, then move along. Weak PPL are never going to get through this life being offended so easily.

Imagine an end of the world situation and ppl are running around saying please dont mention your belief ever lmao. Grow up. you would be dead by zombies while you were busy being offended.