Best handlers?

[jiacovazzi]

Thank you, and That's what keeps bringing me back!

 

[Poec54]

Which in turn can scare some tarantula hobbyists off, which CAN BE detrimental to the hobby.

There are some people who shouldn't be in this hobby. Tarantulas aren't a good fit for everyone. Just because they may own one doesn't mean they're 'one of us' (YouTube provides ample proof of that).

 

[jiacovazzi]

So people you disagree with apparently aren't thinking for themselves (how could they, otherwise they'd agree with you!), and are somehow coerced or duped into joining the 'other side'? Weak-willed fools! One would think that if a person's statements have merit, people would naturally acknowledge that. You're saying that's doesn't happen here?

As philosophy teaches us, there are more than two sides to an argument.

It just seems like high school in some aspect of many threads I have read.In this case as in many threads, a more experienced hobbyist (albeit impolite, tactless, and pontificating) flames a newer hobbyist (perhaps causing them to want to quit the hobby, as evident in this thread) and several of the other members (like lackeys) join in to flame the newer hobbyist and pointing out completely insignificant things not relating to the point the newer hobbyist is trying to make.

Many of your statements do have merit, but your delivery comes off pontificating and with the etiquette of a boar, as do the accompanying comments from the bootlickers.

 

[Pociemon]

Apparently according to you, people can't think for themselves. No doubt it's accomplished thru a combination of mass hypnosis and Jedi mind control.

No, it is achieved by constant beratings to people, talking down to and lectures who eventually makes many newbies leave this forum And the sad thing is, it does not help either the forum or the hobbyist any bit, people will still get this "warm" welcome in here and the hapless person who have asked the wrong question will have learned absolutely nothing, only how fast he/she can leave arachnoboards....

 

[MrDeranged]

This thread will be revisited later when I have time. I am SOOOOOOO disappointed......

 

[MrDeranged]

I have to say, you guys make me feel like my kids were acting up all day while I was at work. I'm home now and this crap needs to stop.

I'm sick of seeing handling threads devolve into the same tired arguments every time a user who may not know better dares to ask a question...

We all need to act like adults here. People are allowed to have differing opinions! We get it, handling can be bad and does nothing for the T. Hell, I agree. It doesn't mean people aren't going to do it anyway. Telling people who want to handle "don't do it" is about as effective as abstinence only sex education classes Why not explain how handling is bad and talk about the safest (note I didn't say safe because there is no 100% safe way) ways to go about it and what species are generally the least adverse to being disturbed by it? Make it a teaching experience instead of a telling experience. Hopefully, they'll eventually come around to the non handling way of thinking.

Sometimes it's better to just take the high road and walk away instead of constantly banging your head against the wall

We're supposed to be a family here. We're definitely dysfunctional, and we may not all agree on everything, but we all share a love for these amazing creatures in our own way. Show some respect for your fellow keepers.

 

[Chris11]

This thread has gone crazy since i last lurked it.... whoa.

 

[Radium]

What if the OP wasn't aware that handling is unsafe?

 

[MrDeranged]

@Radium Not sure if that was directed at me or not, but I'll say that there's a better way to do it than telling them "Because we said so". I have no problem with people explaining why handling can be bad for both the spider and the keeper, it should be explained. It's the way that this information is being dispensed that I have the problem with. I also have a problem with people being attacked over a pro handling opinion that wasn't even pro handling. Make your statement and move on, beating someone over the head isn't going to change their opinion.

BTW, neither my previous post, nor this one are directed at anyone in particular (contrary to what anyone may believe). It is directed at the miasma of intolerance and "my way or the highway" way of thinking that has become pervasive on the forums whenever this topic is brought up.

 

[JoeRossi]

I have to say, you guys make me feel like my kids were acting up all day while I was at work. I'm home now and this crap needs to stop.

I'm sick of seeing handling threads devolve into the same tired arguments every time a user who may not know better dares to ask a question...

We all need to act like adults here. People are allowed to have differing opinions! We get it, handling can be bad and does nothing for the T. Hell, I agree. It doesn't mean people aren't going to do it anyway. Telling people who want to handle "don't do it" is about as effective as abstinence only sex education classes Why not explain how handling is bad and talk about the safest (note I didn't say safe because there is no 100% safe way) ways to go about it and what species are generally the least adverse to being disturbed by it? Make it a teaching experience instead of a telling experience. Hopefully, they'll eventually come around to the non handling way of thinking.

Sometimes it's better to just take the high road and walk away instead of constantly banging your head against the wall

We're supposed to be a family here. We're definitely dysfunctional, and we may not all agree on everything, but we all share a love for these amazing creatures in our own way. Show some respect for your fellow keepers.

Agreed and handling opinion here : http://arachnoboards.com/threads/grammostola-pulchra-behavior.279780/page-3#post-2425972

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder opinion here: http://arachnoboards.com/threads/pachistopelma-bromelicola.279802/page-2#post-2425983

However, at some point individuals need to take a look at what they find attractive and hand-able through the knowledge and experience of the forum and make decisions, not just post to post. This thread was already spoken about once by the same OP here with much of the same discussion http://arachnoboards.com/threads/please-help-me-decide.279913/

 

[Radium]

Fair enough. I'll go into more detail the next time I discourage someone from handling, at least.

 

[MrDeranged]

However, at some point individuals need to take a look at what they find attractive and hand-able through the knowledge and experience of the forum and make decisions, not just post to post. This thread was already spoken about once by the same OP here with much of the same discussion http://arachnoboards.com/threads/please-help-me-decide.279913/

Oh, absolutely. I'm a big fan of personal responsibility. The whole internet culture of instant gratification by asking an oft repeated question instead of making your own informed choices through research is leading to a major lack of critical thinking abilities. IMO one of the major downfalls of the internet and social media. In this case though, while the spirit of the results was much the same, the questions were, in actuality, kind of different. It comes down to "If you don't like these kind of posts, don't bother responding to them". Help should be constructive, not destructive.

 

[JoeRossi]

Oh, absolutely. I'm a big fan of personal responsibility. The whole internet culture of instant gratification by asking an oft repeated question instead of making your own informed choices through research is leading to a major lack of critical thinking abilities. IMO one of the major downfalls of the internet and social media. In this case though, while the spirit of the results was much the same, the questions were, in actuality, kind of different. It comes down to "If you don't like these kind of posts, don't bother responding to them". Help should be constructive, not destructive.

Agreed, as I tell my students with their head buried in the chrome books the answer to everything now is Google it and most of the time there is no reply when the power dies.

I found the threads similar and all the information the OD needed in my opinion was provided in the other thread and additional questions could have been asked and answered there. So to that point we must agree to disagree. However, nothing wrong with "constructive, not destructive" disagreements lol.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

Still it's sad to see (supposed) mature people keep continuing to handling venomous inverts in front of a webcam, a camera, or what else. Because i bet my manly parts (mine, not those of someone else) that, without a camera, hence an audience, 95% of those would quit that behavior tomorrow morning.
They disrespect those animals, they disrespect the hobby. They are lucky to live in nations like England, U.S or such that doesn't care much about and thinks about better, and more important, things.

I live in a nation that all of a sudden Banned ALL Arachnids in 2003, and wasn't for too much bite reports nor escapes. Actually, the only bite reports we had here happened to a famous Italian breeder (who work mostly with Germans enthusiasts, save for authorized fairs here) bitten by a Grammostola rosea because he went into that "too confident" (after years and years of OW breed/trade/sell) mode.
Owning T's it's a very controversial issue, here.

Things aren't granted forever by God or else, especially in those disgusting politically correct at all cost, globalized, static mind, era.

It's not fair to put someone else passion at risk. For what? Nothing, except that useless "ego" of the moment feeling.

I'm really pissed off when i see those handling all sorts of OW T's, or worst (venomous) inverts, pics/videos. Because there's people, and some skilled breeders as well, "NO hands" ones, that can't even legally own "in the light of the sun" theirs, or forced to deal with laws and limits.

Probably what happened here in Italy will never happen to England, Germany, U.S.A etc but never say never in life, so a "no hands" policy, from enthusiasts, would be not only helpful, but the minimum i say.

 

[Radium]

I just want to tack something on the end here.

Asking people for advice on forums doesn't stand in for research any more than googling a care sheet or listening to the pet store SA's spiel does. Research is important because it exposes you to not only anecdotes, but to data. No animal should be an impulse purchase - you should learn yourself to saturation, compare and contrast the advice you see (for example: this forum vs. the TKG) and make intelligent, informed decisions.

Knowledge isn't a substitute for experience, but when something sudden happens, running to AB to ask for advice might not be an option. Educate yourself, take copious notes, and then be openminded and flexible about what's really best for you and your Ts.

 

[ireleana]

I know I said I was done but @viper69 gave me some kind words and @MrDeranged, your words about "abstinence" was exactly what I was trying to get across but I'm horrible with texting.. Anyways. I was going to post this after I had my hissy fit and said I was done.. Thought it was funny that it said you keep coming back etc.. Lmao. I don't care who you are, its funny... I can laugh at myself..

 

[The Snark]

Two in one week. I'm in heaven!
First, Only a demented clown or vegetarian food.
Then,

I have to say, you guys make me feel like my kids were acting up all day while I was at work. I'm home now and this crap needs to stop.

Doesn't get much better than this.

 

[14pokies]

There are some people who shouldn't be in this hobby. Tarantulas aren't a good fit for everyone. Just because they may own one doesn't mean they're 'one of us' (YouTube provides ample proof of that).

I couldn't agree with this more..

 

[Poec54]

I couldn't agree with this more..

I don't understand people handling OW's, putting them on their faces, and even in their mouths (saw this done with an adult Poecilotheria). 'Look at me! Look at me!' These people need to find another way to injure themselves and get their thrills. The rest of us are trying to convince the public we're responsible hobbyists and not a freak show.

 

[14pokies]

It's because alot of these people get Ts for the shock value not for the beauty of the animal and its behavior..

They don't realize legislators are scrutinizing the exotic animal industry closer than ever before.. We're already living in a world where our god given rights are being thrown underfoot with barely a wimper.. Big brother can shut the door on us whenever they want... They just need a good enough reason..

Poecilotheria sp escapes drunk mans mouth bites three at a movie theater, invenomates first responder.. Please keep following fox news for more updates on the survivors of this horrendous act....

The story doesn't have to be true just semi-plausible and the main stream monkeys will jump all over it...