Barking spider/ kattabul sling

Timmee81

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Hey all I was looking at getting a spider and my pet store recommends the barking spider but they're not overly good with advice so I was wondering. I'd prefer a spider that burrows, so barking spider partly fits that. But what care do they need as in diet, habitat etc because I really want to get one but want it to have best possible life
 

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Honestly I've never heard of them as pets, but there are a lot easier well known (and prettier) obligate burrowers that will come out a lot (by the sounds of it barking spiders are like OBTS when it comes to leaving home) and remember, do a search on the internet beforehand. Never really trust LPS (local pet stores) and you'll probably find the info you need incredibly quickly on the web.
 

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Being in Australia, your choices are limited to native species. Some of us in the US and Europe are fortunate enough to have Australian tarantulas (they were CBB and exported by Steve Nunn). 'Barking Spiders' seems to be a general term for any Australian, just as Baboon Spider is a general term used for all Africans. You need to get a genus and species on any you're considering acquiring.

My Australians are all in the genus Phlogius, which love to dig and tunnel. They like deep, moist substrate with cross ventilation. They're fast and feisty (which suits me fine). Good eaters, but like most OW's, don't put on a lot of weight like many NW terrestrials have a tendency to. Mine readily eat crickets; I keep a full water bowl in their cages. Easy, hardy spiders, but I'd never handle one.
 

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Phlogius crassipes I believe is their breed. I've done some reading and most T's in Australia are angry little buggers. We are limited to the spiders available to us in Australia and it seems none of ours are overly friendly. On another note I have seen in the list of spiders my local pet shop has and nearly fell off my chair when I saw "Sydney Funnel Web" who would take a lethal spider and own it and besides we have plenty of idiots around here that would buy it for its status and then get bored and probably release it. Huge risk of being introduced to new parts of australia
 

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Well it's not breed, since spiders are different species, and since you only have aggressive OWs to buy, try to find one with the least potent venom, and go from there.
 

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Phlogius crassipes "Kuttabul" is the full name of your sling, the Kuttabul is where this specific locality of crassipes are found and they're the biggest crassipes of the lot so you have a good species to choose there. All aussie T's are bad beginners species, bad venom/highly strung so it doesn't matter what you pick just pick whatever you want. As for the setup you could simply fill your enclosure up with coco peat around 3x the height of the T (much higher if you want) add some sphagnum moss if you want to keep the soil moist but NOT drenched, when your crassipes becomes an adult you could change it up if you want and start adding real/fake plants, wood for the spider to burrow under but none of it's necessary it's mainly just for aesthetic looks. As for funnel webs they won't do well outside of the places they're already found, they like nice wet soil and a colder temperature something the rest of Australia simply can't offer.
 

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Oh I'd never in a million years but a funnel web. No chance in hell. I'm stuck on a species 2. (That's all they're known as at my pet shop, so have no clue it's actual name) and kuttabul. The size of the kuttabul is quite scary. It grows to size of a mans hand so surely it will need a gigantic enclosure sooner or later right?
The species 2 they have are currently about 8mm in size. So small and cute
 

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Oh I'd never in a million years but a funnel web. No chance in hell. I'm stuck on a species 2. (That's all they're known as at my pet shop, so have no clue it's actual name) and kuttabul. The size of the kuttabul is quite scary. It grows to size of a mans hand so surely it will need a gigantic enclosure sooner or later right?
The species 2 they have are currently about 8mm in size. So small and cute
SP2 is an arid species, different from phlogius, get quite big as well. The Kuttabuls get big, I have seen photos of them breaching the 8 inch mark but it takes a long time (8-10 years) the biggest SP2 I saw was a little over 6 inches but I have heard from extremely reliable sources that when they first found the colonies they were pulling out some 7 inchers, most of the places have been plundered now so most of the really large ones are gone. Here is a large SP2 my neighbour once owned.
 

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Jigalojey,
Thanks for your comment and the picture also. I think I will settle for the Species 2, just due to the fact it's smaller than the kuttabul. That one in the pic looks quite nice :)
 

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The Kuttabuls get big, I have seen photos of them breaching the 8 inch mark but it takes a long time (8-10 years)
Are any of the Australians fast growers? My Phlogius aren't. With some of the tropicals outside Australia males mature in a year (or less) and females in 2 1/2 - 3 years.
 

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Are any of the Australians fast growers? My Phlogius aren't. With some of the tropicals outside Australia males mature in a year (or less) and females in 2 1/2 - 3 years.
Could be good to know, my phlogius and selenocosmia grew so slow that i thought a g rosea was a fast growing T......
 

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Could be good to know, my phlogius and selenocosmia grew so slow that i thought a g rosea was a fast growing T......

They're no speed demons. And Phlogius are much faster growing than the Australians from the dry areas. The ones I have are American-bred from the first Phlogius youngsters that matured (exported as youngsters by Steve Nunn). He shipped 5 species of that genus to the US. I haven't seen any slings of the several species of Selenotypus he also sent here; they still may not have matured yet.
 

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Are any of the Australians fast growers? My Phlogius aren't. With some of the tropicals outside Australia males mature in a year (or less) and females in 2 1/2 - 3 years.
The absolute fastest species I have ever kept was Phlogius strenuus (hanns river locale), I had females mature in 11-13 months (4.5 ish) and males (well over the 5 inch mark) mature in 9 months, they're imo our third maybe second biggest species in terms of legspan so it was impressive growth rate, my phlogius Sarinas have taken a year to hit 6cm mark making them the slowest phlogius species I have raised yet and as you saw my Goliath matured in maybe 15ish months?? not the fastest to mature but what she does have on the other species is solid growth each and every molt, it's been 2.6-2.7 years since I bought her as a sling and she is slightly over the 5.5 inch mark and so much more heavier than all the other species.. C.tropix are bloody fast as well but they're a much smaller species so I'll leave them out of the race. The SP2 grow fast btw, REALLY fast which is quite amazing for an arid, you could definitely have them matured in under two with power feeding (all my above assessments on the species I collected were all powerfed)
 

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Unfortunately Steve wasn't able to send us strenuus and sarinas. I'm hoping he'll do another couple of exports to round out our collections. You guys have a lot of great tarantulas. Far more interesting than the native Aphonopelma we have here.
 

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They're no speed demons. And Phlogius are much faster growing than the Australians from the dry areas. The ones I have are American-bred from the first Phlogius youngsters that matured (exported as youngsters by Steve Nunn). He shipped 5 species of that genus to the US. I haven't seen any slings of the several species of Selenotypus he also sent here; they still may not have matured yet.
We have several selenocosmia available here in Europe, but phlogius are pretty rare, unfortunatly. I think many people wont breed them because the slings are so small that fruit flies are for dinner, and many people dont want to have to many of these home already. I can be wrong, but not many breed them i am sure of...
 

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We have several selenocosmia available here in Europe, but phlogius are pretty rare, unfortunatly. I think many people wont breed them because the slings are so small that fruit flies are for dinner, and many people dont want to have to many of these home already. I can be wrong, but not many breed them i am sure of...

Steve told me he shipped his CBB youngsters on 2 or 3 occasions so that we'd be able to breed them and get them established, which was his goal. He shipped them to 4 or 5 countries. Phlogius have been bred here, although the females were mature, they haven't reached full size yet. The youngsters I got were 1" to 2", so I haven't seen just how small they are at 2nd instar. To me, having Australian tarantulas is a dream come true, something I thought we'd never be able to own with Australia's strict laws on exporting their native animals.

I've raised up tiny 1/8" Hapalopus & Nhandu slings (on pinhead crickets) so I wouldn't be discouraged by a sac of tiny Phlogius.

The last time I saw Steve on this forum, he mentioned that there's an orange species, and some arboreals being described from the northeastern rainforests. I'd really like to have some of those and be able to breed them. Australian arboreals...wow!
 

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Australian species are of great interest to me. I too would love to see more of them become established in the hobby. I'm going to do some research on these as I would really like to obtain a few.
 

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Steve told me he shipped his CBB youngsters on 2 or 3 occasions so that we'd be able to breed them and get them established, which was his goal. He shipped them to 4 or 5 countries. Phlogius have been bred here, although the females were mature, they haven't reached full size yet. The youngsters I got were 1" to 2", so I haven't seen just how small they are at 2nd instar. To me, having Australian tarantulas is a dream come true, something I thought we'd never be able to own with Australia's strict laws on exporting their native animals.

I've raised up tiny 1/8" Hapalopus & Nhandu slings (on pinhead crickets) so I wouldn't be discouraged by a sac of tiny Phlogius.

The last time I saw Steve on this forum, he mentioned that there's an orange species, and some arboreals being described from the northeastern rainforests. I'd really like to have some of those and be able to breed them. Australian arboreals...wow!
I can only agree, aussie tree living T´s would be a dream for me too, can only hope the are available in the future.... I do remember a trade with a german guy, he sent med 4 selenocosmia obscura slings as a freebie. I have never worked with so small slings before and had no food for them. They were raised in the first months in our kitchen because we had fruit flies there, the wife is Thai so we have alot of fruit and veggies home. 3 ended up as adults. But i fear for my life if i have to put more T´s into the kitchen again, she was not particularly happy about that deal....
But i will make an exception for Aussie tree living T´s for sure....
But for the time being we just wait and see if there is some available, but it will probably not be before someone who have them have made offspring on them, and then sell off...
 

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Steve Nunn said that the CBB export wasn't really justified financially for all the cost and time he had into it, and isn't planning on doing it again. There's still a lot of great Aussie's we don't have, so I'm hoping if Steve sees enough of an interest level, he'll reconsider.
 
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