Back again with another burning question - black widows and brown recluse's

[CRX]

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I keep recleeses! They're very chill spiders, they're not teleportation level fast like Heteropoda are, and they are fairly docile. It usually takes quite a bit of annoying to get them to bolt, if I lightly brush one with a paint brush usually the only thing they'll do is lift up the leg that's being bothered. They are reclusive, but they come out more than most obligate burrowers would. They also don't climb plastic, which makes it way easier to prevent escapes than a lot of other spiders (again Heteropoda). Their care is also remarkably easy, they prefer drier habitats so only need minimal spraying and they're very good about scavenging food. I also have a Latrodectus, they're also pretty easy because they'll basically never leave their web. Brown recluse venom is a bit overblown, you aren't going to lose an arm or anything (most of those reports are from bacterial infections), but they are medically significant. As long as your friend understands that and knows how to deal with medically significant species there's a very small risk of being hurt. Obviously accidents can happen, and there is a higher risk of being bit if you have one in your house as opposed to not, but recluses are very reluctant to bite and their bites are unlikely to cause significant issues. I wouldn't do dumb stuff like put on on your face or handle it with your hands, but as long as you are treating them like a medically significant animal there's not that big of a risk. Again the not climbing plastic is a huge bonus, for the life of me I don't know how people keep Brazilian Wandering spiders.

Here's an excellent video on Brown Recluses that gives a very balanced and reasonable take on their venom, as well as talks about some other interesting information about them.

Brazilian wandering spiders are actually scary. They are chill alot of the time, but ive seen multiple videos and stories of them actively going after people. Comes to mind that old video of the teacher prodding one with a stick with a bunch of students around, at one point the spider grabs and runs up the stick and the video ends like right there lmao

 

[Godsmack1934]

Yeah that’s same temperament as my tarantulas. Occasionally you get a mean one but it’s just defense I tell people no such thing as an agressive spider.

Yea, I agree with that

 

[Jennifer41]

So again, what is the spider I babysat? I finally remembered to ask my friend, and she wouldn't tell me which is scaring the hell out of me. She wanted me to figure it out on my own, but the only reason I can tell a tarantula from a daddy longlegs is their size.

HELP!

Also, I'm still not hearing what "true spider" means. I can be kinda dense at times, so you may have to dumb it down a bit.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

You can very much Google all that stuff , way too much information for one post.

 

[aaarg]

Also, I'm still not hearing what "true spider" means. I can be kinda dense at times, so you may have to dumb it down a bit.

it's an un-technical term for a large clade/group/lineage of spiders. spiders make up an order (large group), Araneae. that order can be broken into three major groups, based on their evolutionary lineage: Mesothelae (very few species, very restricted geographically, very 'primitive'), Mygalomorphae (tarantulas, trapdoors, etc.; still retain a lot of 'primitive' spider characteristics, relatively few species, relatively restricted geographic range), and Araneomorphae (many species, globally widespread in all ecosystems). the vast majority of spiders belong to the latter group, the Araneomorphae - which is commonly known as 'true spiders' by arachnerds like us

if it's easier to get when talking about a more familiar animal group, mammals come in handy in this case: Mammalia is broken into three major groups - Monotremata (egg-laying weirdos, platypus and echidna - very few species very restricted range), Marsupialia (relatively few species, restricted range), and then Placentalia (allllllllll the rest, including us!).
the placental mammals are the true spiders of the mammals.

idk i may have just made it worse XD

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

it's an un-technical term for a large clade/group/lineage of spiders. spiders make up an order (large group), Araneae. that order can be broken into three major groups, based on their evolutionary lineage: Mesothelae (very few species, very restricted geographically, very 'primitive'), Mygalomorphae (tarantulas, trapdoors, etc.; still retain a lot of 'primitive' spider characteristics, relatively few species, relatively restricted geographic range), and Araneomorphae (many species, globally widespread in all ecosystems). the vast majority of spiders belong to the latter group, the Araneomorphae - which is commonly known as 'true spiders' by arachnerds like us

if it's easier to get when talking about a more familiar animal group, mammals come in handy in this case: Mammalia is broken into three major groups - Monotremata (egg-laying weirdos, platypus and echidna - very few species very restricted range), Marsupialia (relatively few species, restricted range), and then Placentalia (allllllllll the rest, including us!).
the placental mammals are the true spiders of the mammals.

idk i may have just made it worse XD

yep I just was too lazy to type air all out thanks !
Mygalomorphae being most primitive generally live the longest. Making great pets . they all are good pets just shorter loved ones obviously don’t last as long.

 

[Brewser]

Scientific Classification based on different Physical Charecteristics

fangs, eyes, spinerets, etc. etc.
One example being the fangs... Sub Orders
* 2 - Tarantula Fangs curve backward / front to back
* 3 - True Spider Fangs curve towards each other / side to side

Class - Arachnida ( Spiders, Harvestman, Scorpions. Ticks, Mites )
Order - Arraneae (Spiders )
Sub Order - * 1 Mesothelae ( Liphistidae Spiders ) * 2 Mygalomorphae ( Tarantulas, Funnel webs, Trap doors etc. )
* 3 Araneomorphae ( Orb Weavers, Jumpers, Wolfs etc. )

Followed by
Family
Genus
Species

 

[AphonopelmaTX]

the vast majority of spiders belong to the latter group, the Araneomorphae - which is commonly known as 'true spiders' by arachnerds like us

Arachnonerds should know better to refer to the Araneomorphae as true spiders though. The term 'true spider' only makes sense in the context of the common names given to the other arachnid orders which use the word 'spider.' One could use the term 'true scorpion' in the same context, but I guess everyone including laypersons can recognize a scorpion so you never hear anyone say 'true scorpion.'

Examples of familiar orders within the class Arachnida:

Araneae- True spiders
Scorpiones- True scorpions
Amblypygi- Tailless whip scorpions, whip spiders; false spiders, false scorpions
Opiliones (Harvestmen)- Daddy longlegs spider; false spider
Solifugae- Camel spiders; false spiders
Thelyphonida (Vinegaroons)- Whip scorpions; false scorpions

The only arachnid order that has a more 'correct' common name, which is shared with its scientific name, is Pseudoscorpiones (pseudo scorpions).

Scientific Classification based on different Physical Charecteristics

Placement of the fangs, eyes, spinerets, etc etc.

True Spider Fangs point towards each other / side to side
Tarantula Fangs point backward / front to back

All arachnids that have silk glands are true spiders.

 

[aaarg]

Arachnonerds should know better to refer to the Araneomorphae as true spiders though.

change the name of the forum, i've balked at 'true spider' since i joined lol

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

For a non-spider person: a true spider are the ones you see in your house and outside. They have fangs that pierce from the sides. Tarantulas have fangs that pierce downwards and are generally the larger, more fuzzy looking ones.
The media far exaggerates the black widow and brown recluse fear. I grew up in the heart of brown recluse territory on a farm in central Illinois, with a basement, and was bothered by exactly 0 of them. In the city in CA, everyone claims to have known someone who was bitten by one. Taking a class with an entomologist on the local spiders, he stated it’s sad the doctors jump to that conclusion knowing nothing about them, nor ever having gotten the spider.
Edit: I cut the rest as the video above goes over it in more detail and corrects some of my misinformation.

 

[darkness975]

For a non-spider person: a true spider are the ones you see in your house and outside. They have fangs that pierce from the sides. Tarantulas have fangs that pierce downwards and are generally the larger, more fuzzy looking ones.
The media far exaggerates the black widow and brown recluse fear. I grew up in the heart of brown recluse territory on a farm in central Illinois, with a basement, and was bothered by exactly 0 of them. In the city in CA, everyone claims to have known someone who was bitten by one. Taking a class with an entomologist on the local spiders, he stated it’s sad the doctors jump to that conclusion knowing nothing about them, nor ever having gotten the spider.
Edit: I cut the rest as the video above goes over it in more detail and corrects some of my misinformation.

I have experienced the same. Loxosceles does not occur natively where I grew up and yet everyone and their mother knows for a fact that their second cousin twice removed's brother got bit by one and their arm fell off.

 

[aaarg]

ssssssssame
people get really defensive if you suggest something that happened to someone they knew 20 years ago didn't exactly happen the way they think.

 

[drurymercy]

It’s funny I have seen my dad bit 3x by female black widows and nothing but he is a beast he gets bit and stung and has only said “ow” to horsefly bites he still happily picks up any widow or spider we find and I was bit by a hobo spider I do have a scar the doctor said it was the venom but I honestly believe they eat whatever they find and I’m also always working hard and gross or sweaty so I think it just got infected. So I never really believe people’s crazy stories and I think that’s why I’m more worried about UrS over getting tagged

 

[Jennifer41]

Is anyone going to tell me what kind of tarantula that is in the pic I posted?

 

[Arachnopotamus Rex]

is she secretly insane, or are the things you hear about those two overblown and straight out of left field?

Definitely the latter. They give painful bites that can cause days of discomfort, and wild brown recluse can on occasion carry necrotic bacteria that causes a secondary infection in 1 out of 10 people iirc? (with different random spiders), but neither has venom that is normally able to kill a healthy person, and both only tend to bite if you press on them.

They are both shy, quiet spiders that will ignore you unless threatened. if captive bred and respected, they are very easy going in most cases.

I don't have any personally, but its not do to fear, but rather a preference for long lived bulky arthropods. If I could keep 9 foot arthropluera I would lol, but sadly they're extinct.

Damn passive breathing and its stupid size limits.. hmph! Evolve lungs already!

The only real issue is if they are gravid and you don't notice before they hatch and get all over your house, then its time for a very long scavenger hunt if the ventilation holes are bigger than the slings lol.

Edit: Tatantula temperment is individual based from what I've seen.

I have experienced the same. Loxosceles does not occur natively where I grew up and yet everyone and their mother knows for a fact that their second cousin twice removed's brother got bit by one and their arm fell off.

I saw it happen, right after bigfoot kidnapped my grandma and drove off in my time machine.

Arachnonerds should know better to refer to the Araneomorphae as true spiders though. The term 'true spider' only makes sense in the context of the common names given to the other arachnid orders which use the word 'spider.' One could use the term 'true scorpion' in the same context, but I guess everyone including laypersons can recognize a scorpion so you never hear anyone say 'true scorpion.'

Examples of familiar orders within the class Arachnida:

Araneae- True spiders
Scorpiones- True scorpions
Amblypygi- Tailless whip scorpions, whip spiders; false spiders, false scorpions
Opiliones (Harvestmen)- Daddy longlegs spider; false spider
Solifugae- Camel spiders; false spiders
Thelyphonida (Vinegaroons)- Whip scorpions; false scorpions

The only arachnid order that has a more 'correct' common name, which is shared with its scientific name, is Pseudoscorpiones (pseudo scorpions).



All arachnids that have silk glands are true spiders.

What about Pseudoscorpion silk glands?

The ability to edit and merge posts makes conversations become confusing at times.

I get that its done to shorten threads so posts aren't buried, but it disrupts conversation readability, as some posts will no longer make sense unless everyone goes back to every post they made, re-reads the whole thread, and edits it whenever someone else edits their's (I'm not going to do that, thats way too much work).

Just something for the site owners to think about.

 

[FatBadBay]

Is anyone going to tell me what kind of tarantula that is in the pic I posted?

I believe someone did. But see if you can get a better picture with lightning, might be easier to identify.

 

[darkness975]

Is anyone going to tell me what kind of tarantula that is in the pic I posted?

The tarantula in question looks to be some sort of Theraphosa sp but I couldn't tell you which.

I believe someone did. But see if you can get a better picture with lightning, might be easier to identify.

Looks like a Theraphosa spp. But hard to tell. Can you take some more pictures in better lighting?

 

[Jennifer41]

I’m in the middle of moving right now, but once we get settled and unpacked, I’ll get some better pictures of the spider.