B hamorii has a very ominous mark on abdomen

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Hello all,

This is one of 6 tarantulas I ordered by mail. I will admit I didn't inspect closely upon initial unpacking, I was looking for signs of a death curl or transit molt and was greeted by lively spiders, friendly at that...no threat poses or hairs kicked, which is not bad considering 5/6 were brachypelmas. I'm mentioning this because they were all smooth transitions and so I don't believe a chance of injury during the rehouse.

This is the hamorii. Last night I noticed the spot from the dorsal view. I haven't tried to disturb her for a better picture but this morning she finally got on the wall.

Nothing looks "wet" despite the glare.

The white seen on the ventral view is not glare/reflection. The fading of her abdomen markings is not an illusion/lighting. On the dorsal view, there is a raised lighter ring circling a depression, it looks like a tiny (dry) apple seed in color and sheen. That lighter tissue almost looks stretched creating "rays" of tissue/texture, giving me the feeling like it has been there a while and her abdomen is growing since. I can't tell if those marks that look like "scratches" are on her or substrate.

Her behavior seems normal...I guess I would call her friendly and that isn't a word I would normally describe. Chill, curious, cooperative. She drank water the first night, moved moss into her dish the next morning. I gave her a live cricket last night, and in the process of watching it cohabitate with her, that's when I saw the spot. I decided to kill the cricket and leave it, since I don't know *her* feeding response, and she seemed to be more focused on webbing the air while I had the lid off. I put the lid on, and within a minute she was eating the cricket.

Sorry for the rambling. I'm worried sick and this is my first problem out of 23 Ts. I have cornstarch and betadine handy if anyone knows what they are looking at.

I did email the breeder. Not sure how that will help but she was the freebie [confirmed female hamorii] after meeting a sizeable minimum order.


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I've never seen this ever happen with a tarantula,maybe this is normal? If you give me more details I could make a "conclusion"
 

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I'm going to be monitoring for changes in appearances and behavior. I've only had her about 48 hours and she seems to be acting normally.
 

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So I'm looking at your first picture and to me it looks like the fangs are still red from a recent molt? I don't know? But, if the exoskeleton didn't harden properly, I could see how this severe bruising could have happened during shipping.

Just trying to help.
 

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Thank you for your input. I've attached two more pictures from the same perspective, one with natural sunlight and no flash, the other with natural sunlight with flash, in case it's a lighting effect on the fangs.

I did notice some of that red in the underside of her knee joints, it's on L3 and L4 on both sides, but her abdomen seems way too large for a recent molt. Her fangs look black in person. I hadn't considered a problem with a previous molt so I appreciate you bringing that up.

Fwiw, there was no leaking or wetness observed at the site after she ate, I was watching for it. The dorsal indentation certainly doesn't look fresh.

Thank you again.




So I'm looking at your first picture and to me it looks like the fangs are still red from a recent molt? I don't know? But, if the exoskeleton didn't harden properly, I could see how this severe bruising could have happened during shipping.

Just trying to help.
 

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There have been recent threads about dark spots like those and also about cysts. I’ll try to find them to link
 

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Hello all,

This is one of 6 tarantulas I ordered by mail. I will admit I didn't inspect closely upon initial unpacking, I was looking for signs of a death curl or transit molt and was greeted by lively spiders, friendly at that...no threat poses or hairs kicked, which is not bad considering 5/6 were brachypelmas. I'm mentioning this because they were all smooth transitions and so I don't believe a chance of injury during the rehouse.

This is the hamorii. Last night I noticed the spot from the dorsal view. I haven't tried to disturb her for a better picture but this morning she finally got on the wall.

Nothing looks "wet" despite the glare.

The white seen on the ventral view is not glare/reflection. The fading of her abdomen markings is not an illusion/lighting. On the dorsal view, there is a raised lighter ring circling a depression, it looks like a tiny (dry) apple seed in color and sheen. That lighter tissue almost looks stretched creating "rays" of tissue/texture, giving me the feeling like it has been there a while and her abdomen is growing since. I can't tell if those marks that look like "scratches" are on her or substrate.

Her behavior seems normal...I guess I would call her friendly and that isn't a word I would normally describe. Chill, curious, cooperative. She drank water the first night, moved moss into her dish the next morning. I gave her a live cricket last night, and in the process of watching it cohabitate with her, that's when I saw the spot. I decided to kill the cricket and leave it, since I don't know *her* feeding response, and she seemed to be more focused on webbing the air while I had the lid off. I put the lid on, and within a minute she was eating the cricket.

Sorry for the rambling. I'm worried sick and this is my first problem out of 23 Ts. I have cornstarch and betadine handy if anyone knows what they are looking at.

I did email the breeder. Not sure how that will help but she was the freebie [confirmed female hamorii] after meeting a sizeable minimum order.


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Good place to start. Read replies to OP in the link.

 

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Good place to start. Read replies to OP in the link.



This is what I'm afraid of. Thank you.
 

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I have failed at finding those threads, but I do remember the consensus was don't over feed it (looks like she's good already), as that may put more stress on the abdomen and hope it molts out. Keeping my fingers crossed for her.
 

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I have failed at finding those threads, but I do remember the consensus was don't over feed it (looks like she's good already), as that may put more stress on the abdomen and hope it molts out. Keeping my fingers crossed for her.

I appreciate you looking, I'll keep searching too. Someone else posted a link to a survey/data collection and it was reassuring to see at least 2 specimens molt their way out of some obvious deformities/lesions.

Thank you for your help.
 

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This is what I'm afraid of. Thank you.
I wouldn't automatically jump to conclusions.

The link is only a starting point. Your tarantula other than that spot looks in healthy condition.

On it's next molt it could be back to normal and that spot will be gone.

Never throw the towel in until the end.

I hope your T pulls through I really do. It's a horrible experience losing any T. Until then I will have hope for yours.
 

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This is what I'm afraid of. Thank you.
I lost an older lp and a t stirmi to a cyst but the latter was sold to me sickly and managed to escape that’s what did it in . The lp I had No clue it had a cyst was on it’s underneath . They can survive this so don’t panic like dks.
 

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Circling what one should look at is helpful. No time to figure things out.
 

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I think it’s this? Op could had circled it for us . View attachment 446657
Thought the OP was referring to book lung- which is typical around here hah. Thanks a lot...rather the OP should thank you.

Looks like an injury that healed up at some point. I can't be sure. IF it is a "cyst", all one can do is monitor and feed less as I did w/my AF emilia, took a few molts to heal up completely. I'd love for someone to a have dead T that a necropsy could be done for insight.
 

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Thought the OP was referring to book lung- which is typical around here hah. Thanks a lot...rather the OP should thank you.

Looks like an injury that healed up at some point. I can't be sure. IF it is a "cyst", all one can do is monitor and feed less as I did w/my AF emilia, took a few molts to heal up completely. I'd love for someone to a have dead T that a necropsy could be done for insight.

Sorry, I figured it stood out like a sore thumb but I did thank the kind fellow for circling the lesion.
 

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Would you be willing to keep us updated on the situation in this thread? I'm very curious to see how this progresses!
 

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Absolutely. Here are some pictures from just now (unless specified otherwise, I did include the arrival day picture my boyfriend had sent me since I had to leave for work).

So far I have done nothing except make sure the water dish is full, which I can refill without disturbing her enclosure with a syringe. She has rotated a few times in that corner. I've been waiting for her to reposition so I can take pictures. Screenshot_20230605-103648.png PXL_20230605_172312989.jpg Screenshot_20230605-103425.png Screenshot_20230605-103458.png PXL_20230605_171940888.jpg Screenshot_20230605-103313.png
 

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Would you be willing to keep us updated on the situation in this thread? I'm very curious to see how this progresses!
Hi Maria,

I accidentally added a post instead of replying. I added some new pictures. Thank you for following.
 
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