Avic avic with a big lump

[JosiBelle]

Hi everyone!
I am new to this forum and I would have love to start with a cute and relaxe post but something serious came up today and I need your opinions..
I just acquire this avic avic from a pet store where my niece works. She was upset about them having a tarantula for sale since nobody there knew anything about them. And it showed...
She was in a 20 gallons fishtank with a net on top and the terrarium was set more for a terrestrial (with a very massif lack of substrat) and they also put a heat lamp.
My niece bought it from them and give it to me after the store had it for 3 weeks.
I remarked to things about her.. First, one of her leg is very small. Second, her abdomen is abdormal..
I have no information on her, so we can guess she was wildcut. So her abdomen could be filled with parasites... Or maybe it is something else??
Anyone had this experience before?
Thank you for your time!!

 

[IntermittentSygnal]

A smaller leg could just be one that’s she’s regenerated. It will look more normal with subsequent molts. Could you get a better pic of the abdomen, please? Closer and with more light? It’s hard to see what’s going on there.
Unfortunately with pet stores like that, once something sells, they’ll replace it with another. :-(

 

[Wolfram1]

I have not experienced this myself, but we have seen similar posts a lot. Mostly from suspected WC pet shop rescues. If you search the threads you will find them.

In general we call this a "cyst", a liquid/haemolymph filled bulge or even just a cyst-shaped deformation of the exoskeleton, usually in the abdominal region.

Its not 100% clear what causes them but in my opinion an internal, healed over rupture during its last premolt is a likely cause. Most likely while they were caught or roughly transported to the eventual seller.


The smaller leg and i think one of the spinneretts, seem to have regrown. Most likely remenants from losses in the wild or from improper care in captivity.

I'd say if it makes it through the next molt you have good chances of giving it a better life in captivity, but its going to be a risky one as building a new exosceleton underneath this much damaged tissue is going to be tough. If the cyst prevents the new exoskeleton from forming properly it could be deadly.

edit:
i would like to ask you to document your observations and possibly the results of the next molt and give us an update then.

way to many threads like this end without the poster ever getting back with an update about the condition of the spider.

this makes it very hard to give adequate information in every new case

 

[viper69]

Seems to be a cyst, hard to say from here .Small leg-regenerated.

Nothing you can do if that is the case but wait until molt

 

[The Snark]

In general we call this a "cyst", a liquid/haemolymph filled bulge or even just a cyst-shaped deformation of the exoskeleton, usually in the abdominal region.

Cruising through the ER and our resident Oncologist is whiling away his time doing POD duties reading something. The ER doc had suggested I ask him about cysts. "What is a cyst?" He thinks for a moment then replies, "You should ask Doc J." So looking for an opportune moment when Doc J is just surveying his kingdom - the path lab, and ask him. He started with about the same as what I quoted above, and seeing he had a willing audience got up a full head of steam. Dermatologist, Oncologist, gynecologist, neuro something, cardio, orthopedics, pediatric and I was fading in attention span. Around a half hour later, I escaped, looking forwards to the mindless tedium of electrical safety testing the floor.

 

[JosiBelle]

I have not experienced this myself, but we have seen similar posts a lot. Mostly from suspected WC pet shop rescues. If you search the threads you will find them.

In general we call this a "cyst", a liquid/haemolymph filled bulge or even just a cyst-shaped deformation of the exoskeleton, usually in the abdominal region.

Its not 100% clear what causes them but in my opinion an internal, healed over rupture during its last premolt is a likely cause. Most likely while they were caught or roughly transported to the eventual seller.


The smaller leg and i think one of the spinneretts, seem to have regrown. Most likely remenants from losses in the wild or from improper care in captivity.

I'd say if it makes it through the next molt you have good chances of giving it a better life in captivity, but its going to be a risky one as building a new exosceleton underneath this much damaged tissue is going to be tough. If the cyst prevents the new exoskeleton from forming properly it could be deadly.

edit:
i would like to ask you to document your observations and possibly the results of the next molt and give us an update then.

way to many threads like this end without the poster ever getting back with an update about the condition of the spider.

this makes it very hard to give adequate information in every new case

Thank you so much!
I did search and I was almost always finding parasites stuff and started to get very anxious
I still put her enclosure not with the other one, not even in the same room/floor as my other ones just in case.
You are right, I did not realized about the spinnerett but it is smaller!! I was not too concern about the leg since I guessed it was one that did grow back at the last molt.
It would also make sence that it could all happened when she got caught (if she was), her leg, spinnerett and abdomen...
I guess there's only one thing to do, it's to take good care of it and wait!!
I will update for sure!!

 

[ladyratri]

I have not dealt with this directly, but from some of the similar threads... You may want to feed conservatively until she molts, so add not to let her abdomen get large and put more strain on the exoskeleton in that area.

I'm absolutely guilty of keeping some very (VERY) plump slings, I'll be the first to admit, but they generally do not need nearly as much food as we often feed them in captivity. Especially as they mature.

Good luck.

 

[JosiBelle]

I have not dealt with this directly, but from some of the similar threads... You may want to feed conservatively until she molts, so add not to let her abdomen get large and put more strain on the exoskeleton in that area.

I'm absolutely guilty of keeping some very (VERY) plump slings, I'll be the first to admit, but they generally do not need nearly as much food as we often feed them in captivity. Especially as they mature.

Good luck.

Ooh true, I will feed her lightly, good call!! I remember reading this as well but I just filled my head with so much informations in the pass couple hours, I forgot that really important one
Thank you

 

[Wolfram1]

I still put her enclosure not with the other one, not even in the same room/floor as my other ones just in case.

thats still a good practice since it was likely WC at some point

You are right, I did not realized about the spinnerett but it is smaller!! I was not too concern about the leg since I guessed it was one that did grow back at the last molt.

likely these are older, it's not uncommon for wild spiders to loose a leg or two.


i hope your spider makes it, and @ladyratri correctly pointed out, not putting too much strain on the affected area will give you better chances in theroy, again we get lots of cases, but very few resolutions.

document how things are going and take pictures occasionally if you can.

 

[JosiBelle]

thats still a good practice since it was likely WC at some point


likely these are older, it's not uncommon for wild spiders to loose a leg or two.


i hope your spider makes it, and @ladyratri correctly pointed out, not putting too much strain on the affected area will give you better chances in theroy, again we get lots of cases, but very few resolutions.

document how things are going and take pictures occasionally if you can.

I too, hope it will make it, I will document this for sure!
It's very interesting and I want to keep information about what will happen!! I will share of course!
Thank you

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Hi everyone!
I am new to this forum and I would have love to start with a cute and relaxe post but something serious came up today and I need your opinions..
I just acquire this avic avic from a pet store where my niece works. She was upset about them having a tarantula for sale since nobody there knew anything about them. And it showed...
She was in a 20 gallons fishtank with a net on top and the terrarium was set more for a terrestrial (with a very massif lack of substrat) and they also put a heat lamp.
My niece bought it from them and give it to me after the store had it for 3 weeks.
I remarked to things about her.. First, one of her leg is very small. Second, her abdomen is abdormal..
I have no information on her, so we can guess she was wildcut. So her abdomen could be filled with parasites... Or maybe it is something else??
Anyone had this experience before?
Thank you for your time!!

Cyst or something like an air pocket some guys p Metallica had one .