Are these tarantula's?

[YellowBrickRoad]

I gave you an honest answer. I have no idea what you’re referring to.

Carry on then.

 

[Edub]

If you google you’ll find the answer as I did

Purse web I think- I found an image from a legit source that looks exactly like yours.

Initially I thought trap- but I could be wrong it’s only one image I could see, and I’m no expert

There are no Ts in KY to my knowledge

I love how you suggest she googles it, like you did. And the answer you got from googling was wrong. You know, that's why she came onto a forum with experts, to get the right answer.

 

[viper69]

I love how you suggest she googles it, like you did. And the answer you got from googling was wrong. You know, that's why she came onto a forum with experts, to get the right answer.

I love how you haven’t offered the OP any assistance in identifying the species observed.

Only a handful of people on here are arachnologists, ie experts.

 

[The Snark]

I have actually seen a lot of people asking about these lately, mostly on Facebook groups.

Nothing wrong with asking questions, but on Facebook, or other social media... So a person goes fishing in a septic tank and hooks a brown trout. Then goes off to someplace like AB wanting to know what species it is and gets ran over by an @viper69 and wonders why he is so testy and short tempered. A few dozen of those down the road would turn Gandhi into a curmudgeon.

 

[YellowBrickRoad]

I gave you an honest answer. I have no idea what you’re referring to.

Just, utterly, total BS. Are you being serious or just kidding? Its been said OP comes here instead of Google, probably because she already went to Google, and they said just come to arachnoboards, and all you do is refer her to Google. I'm so confused now.

 

[viper69]

Just, utterly, total BS.

I’m not a liar, clearly you think I am. Thus we never have anything left to say. Time for the ignore feature

 

[Edub]

I love how you haven’t offered the OP any assistance in identifying the species observed.

Only a handful of people on here are arachnologists, ie experts.

I didn't have to, when I read the post the correct ID was already given. I'm helpful when I can, and I let others be helpful when I don't have experience enough to help.

Sure, I too sigh a bit when yet another "my jumping spider hasn't eaten for 2 days, what is wrong???????" question is posted, followed with a blurry pic. But this wasn't a post to complain about.

 

[RezonantVoid]

Trapdoor spider in the genus Ummidia

The Halonoproctidae look is hard to miss once you know what to look for, I definitely agree

 

[Dry Desert]

I didn't have to, when I read the post the correct ID was already given. I'm helpful when I can, and I let others be helpful when I don't have experience enough to help.

Sure, I too sigh a bit when yet another "my jumping spider hasn't eaten for 2 days, what is wrong???????" questio,,n is posted, followed with a blurry pic. But this wasn't a post to complain about.

Couple of points, again.

If the people on this thread have identified said trapdoor from a few photos and an accurate location - why couldn't the OP ??

Second point,

I myself, similar to Viper69 get a little sick and tired of people coming on the forum ONLY when they have a problem, because even the basic care and setting up etc. research has never been done. " Is this soil okay '
" Do I use a thermostat "
"What temperature do I keep it at "

"How often do I feed my t "

etc etc etc.

I can't for the life of me understand why people who seem to spend almost 24/7 on line can't carry out basic searches on Google, or
God forbid look at the stickies that someone has spent much time and effort into posting years ago.

I quite understand the frustration of some long time members on here, and quite honestly their replies are a lot softer than mine would have been.

 

[Biollantefan54]

Couple of points, again.

If the people on this thread have identified said trapdoor from a few photos and an accurate location - why couldn't the OP ??

Second point,

I myself, similar to Viper69 get a little sick and tired of people coming on the forum ONLY when they have a problem, because even the basic care and setting up etc. research has never been done. " Is this soil okay '
" Do I use a thermostat "
"What temperature do I keep it at "

"How often do I feed my t "

etc etc etc.

I can't for the life of me understand why people who seem to spend almost 24/7 on line can't carry out basic searches on Google, or
God forbid look at the stickies that someone has spent much time and effort into posting years ago.

I quite understand the frustration of some long time members on here, and quite honestly their replies are a lot softer than mine would have been.

If posts like this bother y’all, just scroll on. I enjoy these identification posts, people here can identify them because they know what to look for. The op might not get the same result by just typing “black spider x location” into google

 

[goonius]

There was a time in my life that I wouldn’t have had a clue what a trapdoor spider was, or a mygalomorph or a purse web spider. I wouldn’t have known where to begin with an ID for any of these creatures. The OP had a legit question for where she was at on her learning journey, a question which she has received both right AND wrong answers to (how confusing for her!) Clearly some people well-versed in these creatures weren’t able to ID it — almost as if the answer were not an obvious one and, maybe needed the input of someone with some expertise, particularly on native trapdoor species. Perhaps next time, having learned her lesson, she will use something like iNat because no one there will make her feel stupid when the AI potentially gets the ID wrong.

It seems like people who are bothered by “silly” questions ought just not answer them. It’s always perplexed me— do people answer even when annoyed with the question to appease Arachnoboards’ algorithm that rewards only for frequent posters?

It’s amazing how many threads on Arachnoboards devolve into petty bickering, often because some people can’t just be decent to one another. It’s legendary actually, and discussed just about everywhere else spiders are talked about. Seems like there’s a better way — like not commenting if you don’t have something of value to add, and being civil when you do. Or maybe being humble because even seasoned experts have holes in their knowledge or get things wrong sometimes.

Personally, I’d hate to ruin someone’s day, make them feel lesser or stupid just because they were curious about an ID or uncertain or anxious about some basic care issue — these are all things I have experienced and the source of many ‘stupid’ questions. Wandering into a new place full of curiosity and looking for enlightenment should be welcomed by anyone who values learning and living in a world more appreciative of undervalued animals — like arachnids. Besides, we were ALL the ignorant person once. Treat people the way you would have hoped to be treated — even (especially) if no one did the same for you.

 

[Dry Desert]

Couple of points, again.

If the people on this thread have identified said trapdoor from a few photos and an accurate location - why couldn't the OP ??

Second point,

I myself, similar to Viper69 get a little sick and tired of people coming on the forum ONLY when they have a problem, because even the basic care and setting up etc. research has never been done. " Is this soil okay '
" Do I use a thermostat "
"What temperature do I keep it at "

"How often do I feed my t "

etc etc etc.

I can't for the life of me understand why people who seem to spend almost 24/7 on line can't carry out basic searches on Google, or
God forbid look at the stickies that someone has spent much time and effort into posting years ago.

I quite understand the frustration of some long time members on here, and quite honestly their replies are a lot softer than mine would have been.

This is why the world now is full of " Snowflakes " like yourself, because no one is expected to say anything remotely harsh.

My post was not directed purely at the op. Only comments about the many, many non researched posts that appear on a regular basis.

Far easier for lazy people to bang a post on whatever forum than to do basic research.
To close, I found all the relevant information concerning the ID of the mystery spider, never, ever seen before, by searching TWO separate sites in a space of 15 minutes.
Amazing.

 

[Terrovax]

If the people on this thread have identified said trapdoor from a few photos and an accurate location - why couldn't the OP ??

Because there are people on this site more knowledgeable on the arachnofauna present in certain areas. The spider is clearly a mature male Ummidia to me, but I only knew that because I've been aware of this particular genus for years. Even OP themselves admitted they're new, so why would you really want a new person to come to a certain ID. This is exactly the reason why so many tarantulas in the hobby are misidentified, because people just look at pics of similar species and just assume they are the same. I could definitely see someone easily mistake an Ummidia sp. for a Sphodros species.

I myself, similar to Viper69 get a little sick and tired of people coming on the forum ONLY when they have a problem, because even the basic care and setting up etc. research has never been done. " Is this soil okay '
" Do I use a thermostat "
"What temperature do I keep it at "

OP just asked for the ID of a wild mygalomorph, which is a really uncommon question on this site. The questions you're complaining are purely hobby-related, so I don't see how they are the same thing. She also gave clear pictures and a fairly precise locality, which is pretty much the most anyone could ask for regarding wild spider IDs, so I don't see what the issue is. It's not really OP's fault that you and the other guy did not know what the spider was, and weren't able to give a ID except complain.

This is why the world now is full of " Snowflakes " like yourself, because no one is expected to say anything remotely harsh.

Man, if asking such a harmless question could illicit these types of responses, then you really need to re-think who the snowflakes are exactly in this scenario

 

[The Snark]

@Dry Desert It's all about familiarity with a species where a person develops an innate knowledge and combines it with a 1+1 thinking methodology.

I was approached by a group and challenged as to what breed a horse was. Me supposedly being a know-it-all about horses. I took a glance and replied what was obvious, strawberry roan pinto something, and my more knowledgeable stable partner added, hindquarters, part Arab.

Same same here. @Biollantefan54 ballparked Ummidia. I went to bug guide having a general idea what to look for and put his guess in. Bug Guide tossed back Cork Bark spider. Probable Halonoproctidae.
All about familiarity, what to look for and where. Novices to the hobby don't have that mental library.

Another. Hearing one riff, 5 seconds of the beginning of a song I tossed out Led Zeppelin, a certain signature song of theirs. An audiophile added it was a cover, not Jimmy Page's guitar.

 

[SpookySpooder]

^ Very well said The Snark.

I understand the sentiment that arises when you start seeing so many of the same issues and posts come up over a long and active forum life.

I've been a member of several forums over the years, and even I find myself sighing sometimes when I read over a thread that can easily be answered by google or the search function. In my case, it's with aquaria. Do you have any idea how often a thread pops up with "help! I didn't do my maintenance and algae is everywhere!" or "help! I didn't research my animal's husbandry requirements and it died when I tossed it in my tank!"

Compound that effect over 20-30 years. It will do some eroding of your patience.

I've seen the same thing on reptile forums as well. My assumption is there there are people throughout society in every hobby who are ill-prepared and would rather somebody else do the heavy lifting for them. (I am not referring to this situation but speaking in generalities.)

I believe when you're experienced and been around the block a few times in any field, it's easy to observe patterns of mistakes/failures and get cynical about it. But I also believe it's important to remember that we all have differing levels of intelligence, knowledge, motivation, passion, as well as time to devote to education and practice. Forums are our meeting places to discuss, share, and refine what we know so that we can improve in our endeavors or behaviors.

I have no horse in this race but I'm happy to see the kind of discourse that grows a community playing out here.

Sorry for the irrelevant post.

 

[The Snark]

"help! I didn't do my maintenance and algae is everywhere!"

Yup. I can mathematically work out the location of a a star, tell you what insert to bust through the surface hardening of 4140 chromoly or give the ampacity of a 50 foot run 2.5 mil copper wire but the only thing that comes to mind with algae is the nuclear option and I'm calling my bud at the marine lab who has to get the same question at least 10 times a week.
Speaking of which he just replied, Fresh or saline, light source, what animals, filtration, introduced?
(He just added "Throw in a couple of handfuls of nerite snails, block off all light and give them a couple of weeks.)

 

[Dry Desert]

^ Very well said The Snark.

I understand the sentiment that arises when you start seeing so many of the same issues and posts come up over a long and active forum life.

I've been a member of several forums over the years, and even I find myself sighing sometimes when I read over a thread that can easily be answered by google or the search function. In my case, it's with aquaria. Do you have any idea how often a thread pops up with "help! I didn't do my maintenance and algae is everywhere!" or "help! I didn't research my animal's husbandry requirements and it died when I tossed it in my tank!"

Compound that effect over 20-30 years. It will do some eroding of your patience.

I've seen the same thing on reptile forums as well. My assumption is there there are people throughout society in every hobby who are ill-prepared and would rather somebody else do the heavy lifting for them. (I am not referring to this situation but speaking in generalities.)

I believe when you're experienced and been around the block a few times in any field, it's easy to observe patterns of mistakes/failures and get cynical about it. But I also believe it's important to remember that we all have differing levels of intelligence, knowledge, motivation, passion, as well as time to devote to education and practice. Forums are our meeting places to discuss, share, and refine what we know so that we can improve in our endeavors or behaviors.

I have no horse in this race but I'm happy to see the kind of discourse that grows a community playing out here.

Sorry for the irrelevant post.

I to spent many happy times in the marine world.
Two six foot tanks, one reef, one mainly Lion fish, and a three foot used as a biological filter being supplied by Fluvial externals.

Fortunately this was prior to " social " media days, when things were pleasant, staff in shops were very knowledgeable, keepers used to spend many happy hours in the shops idly chatting and comparing notes, tea/ coffee was always available.

I can clearly remember the times when the latest marine shipment was delayed due to traffic problems, and would not be arriving until midnight.

By the time I arrived at the shop there must have been 25/30 keen keepers drinking coffee and chatting and sumising what may have been sent as replacements if the order had not been fulfilled.

Where are those days gone ?

Never to return thanks to "social " media.

 

[Edub]

This is why the world now is full of " Snowflakes " like yourself, because no one is expected to say anything remotely harsh.

My post was not directed purely at the op. Only comments about the many, many non researched posts that appear on a regular basis.

Far easier for lazy people to bang a post on whatever forum than to do basic research.
To close, I found all the relevant information concerning the ID of the mystery spider, never, ever seen before, by searching TWO separate sites in a space of 15 minutes.
Amazing.

You, with your years of knowledge, were able to filter out the wrong answers. Do you expect the OP, self proclaimed beginner, to be able to pick the correct one?

To some, a black spider is a black spider and they don't really see any difference between them.
To many, a blue suit is a blue suit. Are you able to see the difference between makers or even styles? To me the subtle details are pretty clear even though I'm not an expert, I just have a passion for clothes.

Like I said, questions that are easy to find an answer to by just sesrching the forum or google, like general care questions, can be tiresome. Pick your fights better.

 

[The Snark]

Sure you have answered the question a few dozen times before. This does not give license to be impolite.

I pull a traffic violation offender over for an offense I often see every day. Being rude or otherwise impolite only serves to antagonize and can easily digress into a contest of wills. But I'm not about to explain the vehicle code section and sub headings. and how to find the specific law and their purposes either.

Dag Hammarskjold comes to mind
Vårt arbete för fred måste börja inom allas vår privata värld. För att bygga en värld utan rädsla för människan måste vi vara utan rädsla. För att bygga en värld av rättvisa måste vi vara rättvisa.
Our work for peace must begin within the private world of each of us. To build for man a world without fear, we must be without fear. To build a world of justice, we must be just.

 

[ArachnoWitch517]

If you google you’ll find the answer as I did

Isn't the point of having a forum such as this to be able to ask questions? Not be told to Google it?