are there any more pokie's out there??

[shogun804]

just wondering i found some good info yesterday while searching and the list i came up with of pokie's is this...are there any more pokie's out there that have been described but not on this list?? or are any of these incorrect?

Poecilotheria fasciata (Latreille, 1804)
Poecilotheria formosa (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria hillyardi (Kirk, in prep.)
Poecilotheria metallica (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria miranda (Pocock, 1900)
Poecilotheria ornata (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria pederseni (Kirk, 2001)
Poecilotheria pococki (Charpentier, 1996)
Poecilotheria regalis (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria rufilata (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria smithi (Kirk, 1996)
Poecilotheria striata (Pocock, 1895)
Poecilotheria subfusca (Pocock, 1895)
Poecilotheria uniformis (Strand, 1913)

 

[Michael Jacobi]

just wondering i found some good info yesterday while searching and the list i came up with of pokie's is this...are there any more pokie's out there that have been described but not on this list?? or are any of these incorrect?

Poecilotheria fasciata (Latreille, 1804)
Poecilotheria formosa (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria hillyardi (Kirk, in prep.)
Poecilotheria metallica (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria miranda (Pocock, 1900)
Poecilotheria ornata (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria pederseni (Kirk, 2001)
Poecilotheria pococki (Charpentier, 1996)
Poecilotheria regalis (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria rufilata (Pocock, 1899)
Poecilotheria smithi (Kirk, 1996)
Poecilotheria striata (Pocock, 1895)
Poecilotheria subfusca (Pocock, 1895)
Poecilotheria uniformis (Strand, 1913)

First, parentheses around an author's name indicates that (s)he described the species under a different name than is current [usually another genus]. In the case of Poecilotheria only the type species P. fasciata was described under a different genus. Second, you did not include Poecilotheria hanumavilasumica. Third, although P. pococki is still a valid species many authorities consider it a junior synonym of P. smithi.

All of this can easily be checked at Platnick's World Spider Catalog Theraphosidae page. It has also been covered in other threads in this forum.

So here is the correct current list:

Poecilotheria fasciata (Latreille, 1804)
Poecilotheria formosa Pocock, 1899
Poecilotheria hanumavilasumica Smith, 2004
Poecilotheria metallica Pocock, 1899
Poecilotheria miranda Pocock, 1900
Poecilotheria ornata Pocock, 1899
Poecilotheria pederseni Kirk, 2001
Poecilotheria pococki Charpentier, 1996
Poecilotheria regalis Pocock, 1899
Poecilotheria rufilata Pocock, 1899
Poecilotheria smithi Kirk, 1996
Poecilotheria striata Pocock, 1895
Poecilotheria subfusca Pocock, 1895
Poecilotheria uniformis Strand, 1913

 

[shogun804]

ok thanks for clearing that up for me... :worship: :clap: :8o

 

[Lochala]

Can you provide more information on P. hanumavilasumica? I've never heard of this species.

 

[Lopez]

Can you provide more information on P. hanumavilasumica? I've never heard of this species.

Described by Andrew Smith this year, it's basically a P.fasciata from India (if you want it in REALLY basic terms!)

There are none in the hobby and hopefully it will stay that way.

 

[brgn]

There are none in the hobby and hopefully it will stay that way.

I have heard rumours about an eggsac of this species in the UK, and also seen people searching for males of this species. Are you sure they are not in the hobby yet?

Robert

 

[Michael Jacobi]

Poecilotheria hanumavilasumica

Can you provide more information on P. hanumavilasumica? I've never heard of this species.

As Leon wrote, it was described this year by Andrew and is most similar to the Sri Lankan species P. fasciata.

Here is the citation for the species description:

Smith, A.M. 2004. A new species of the arboreal theraphosid, genus Poecilotheria, from Southern India (Aranae, Mygalomorphae, Theraphosidae) with notes on its conservation status. British Tarantula Society Journal 19(2): 48-61. [February 2004]

To give a quick overview:

The specific epithet honors a holy site where it is found: Hanumavilaum Temple Plantation. Originally Andrew was going to name it P. kirki after his good friend, an author of two Poecilotheria species, Peter Kirk, but they wanted the species to "be firmly linked to the local community, which we hope will be entrusted with its guardianship". He has proposed creating a "Tiger Spider Sanctuary" to protect this spider, which is found in numbered Tamarind trees at the temple site.

This spider is found in extreme southern India and Smith wrote that it was possible that this spider may be found in northern Sri Lanka - an area that has not been explored due to war in the region.

These words excerpted from Smith's description detail the differences between this species and the northern Sri Lankan P. fasciata: "can be readily distinguished from P. fasciata by the unbroken black band on the ventral surface of femur IV, the pale colour of the basal half of the metatarsus and the beautiful lilac/violet bloom that is the dominant colour of the ventral surfaces of the posterior legs. In P. fasciata, the black band is broken, the metatarsus dark and the dominant colour of the rear legs is a cold blue grey".

There are some I am sure who would argue that minor color variations suggest it is a geographical race of P. fasciata and aren't enough to distinguish it as a separate species. Smith's paper stresses many times how closely related the two species are - even that the male emboli are very similar. If that is true, than it would be the only species found both in India and Sri Lanka. I'll leave that argument to the taxonomists.

Cheers, Michael

 

[Lochala]

Why would it be classified as another species based on a small color difference?

 

[Arachnoboy]

Check this out
http://www.thebts.co.uk/framset2.htm

 

[Steve Nunn]

Hi,
Does anyone have this spider in captivity?? Andy?? Pete?? Heinrich?? Verdez??

 

[Bearo]

If that is true, than it would be the only species found both in India and Sri Lanka.
Cheers, Michael

Shore about that? I'm no expert but my info is telling me that P. fasciata is found in India also.. in one place at least.. (Many places on Sri lanka)

 

[Bearo]

So here is the correct current list:

Poecilotheria pococki Charpentier, 1996
Poecilotheria smithi Kirk, 1996

Arnt these the same?

 

[FryLock]

Shore about that? I'm no expert but my info is telling me that P. fasciata is found in India also.. in one place at least.. (Many places on Sri lanka)

Ah good you pointed that out Bearo I heard this to from a few ppl about 10-12 years or so back they said P.fas could be found around ports and plantions in South India they must have been thinking they came over from Sri Lanka on boats holding wood or goods, i wonder if they were really P.fas or this new species :?.

 

[Bearo]

Ah good you pointed that out Bearo I heard this to from a few ppl about 10-12 years or so back they said P.fas could be found around ports and plantions in South India they must have been thinking they came over from Sri Lanka on boats holding wood or goods, i wonder if they were really P.fas or this new species :?.

aahh ok, intresting..
so the P. fasciata near Madurai in India might be "imported" from Sri lanka OR could be P. hanumavilasum? did it never get fully reported or what?

and btw, any news about the P. sp. "weselli" or what they called it?

 

[FryLock]

Hi,
Does anyone have this spider in captivity?? Andy?? Pete?? Heinrich?? Verdez??

Steve If I remember rightly Phillip C had sling’s from an Indian poke once at a UK show many years back that looked like P.reg and P.fas but was not P.striata, I wonder if they were P.hanumavilasumic seeing as he was said to naming that species under a different name at one time.

so the P. fasciata near Madurai in India might be "imported" from Sri lanka OR could be P. hanumavilasum? did it never get fully reported or what?

I never heard a place mentioned just "area's" in Southern India all a bit vague until i read that someone else had heard it i just thought it was old hear say and probably proven to be untrue by now, but it would seem it could be true.

I don’t think many ppl except Hendrick know what that spider looks like .

 

[Steve Nunn]

There are none in the hobby and hopefully it will stay that way.

Hi Leon,
Why??? With all the other smuggled T's everyone keeps why would this species be any different??

Thanks,
Steve