Are pinky mice safe feeders?

[cold blood]

I will redo her enclosure with smoother rocks and more substrate tomorrow

No not smoother rocks...eliminate the rocks altogether.

Horrible t for a first time owner, it pains me to think of the thousands that die each year in the hands of new keepers. Good luck, hopefully you take the advice offered here and your stirmi lives a long healthy life.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Not really.



That was dumb to either put an adult mouse in there or allow adult mice into it.

I agree the spider was way too small, A genic killed one instantly. Tho I will not probably ever feed a mouse again. That was many years ago, lacked information on dangers of calcium etc.
Not too mention razor sharp teeth ,! Of a feeders mouse wich have killed snakes before & Ts.

 

[EulersK]

I guess these feeder mice are going to die anyways , so I don’t see how it’s cruel there doomed.

It's cruel because there are other options. Snakes won't eat dubia or mealworms, so there's no choice but to feed them mice.

 

[Tim Benzedrine]

Not only that, but most snakes will accept pre-killed frozen//thawed mice. People run onto the occasional one that refuses pre-killed, but I also am of the opinion that they sometimes rush to that decision.

I have a rat-snake that I wild caught. Naturally, it had never seen a pre-killed before in its life. I didn't attempt to feed it until about three days after capture and then tried it, and it accepted the mouse immediately. Five years later, he is pushing five-feet long and has never ate anything live since I got him.
Well...he did try to eat ME once, a month or so ago, but that's another thread.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Not only that, but most snakes will accept pre-killed frozen//thawed mice. People run onto the occasional one that refuses pre-killed, but I also am of the opinion that they sometimes rush to that decision.

I have a rat-snake that I wild caught. Naturally, it had never seen a pre-killed before in its life. I didn't attempt to feed it until about three days after capture and then tried it, and it accepted the mouse immediately. Five years later, he is pushing five-feet long and has never ate anything live since I got him.
Well...he did try to eat ME once, a month or so ago, but that's another thread.

Is freezing to protect snake from injury? I don’t see it as more humane for the feeder snake bite would kill them faster. Wish I had snakes awesome, broke gotta get a job n move out for reptiles & more Ts.

 

[tewebag]

Is freezing to protect snake from injury? I don’t see it as more humane for the feeder snake bite would kill them faster

No, cheaper and easier option to get feeders for larger snakes. You buy them frozen and they last left in the freezer. Just thaw before use

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

No, cheaper and easier option to get feeders for largersnakes. You buy them frozen and they last left in the freezer. Just thaw before use

o I see frozen if way to go them for price : time involved.
Cheaper unless someone goes through the struggles of breeding rats/!mice.
I’ve never had a snake , but good to know. They can go months without food, I’ve heard.

Mice are ehh a waste of money for tarantula anyways doubt many have appetite big enough. Just end up wasting, not to mention risk if injury to the spider.

 

[Tim Benzedrine]

Is freezing to protect snake from injury? I don’t see it as more humane for the feeder snake bite would kill them faster. Wish I had snakes awesome, broke gotta get a job n move out for reptiles & more Ts.

Well, being pre-killed, no matter which method is used, prevents injury to the snake. A snake bite to a feeder would kill the feeder faster if you are feeding "hot" snakes, maybe. It is almost surely unpleasant for at least a bit, though.
But most people keep constrictors of one type of another, and while being more or less suffocated may not take that long, it isn't a good way to go, I'm sure. The same would apply to a tarantula bite.

 

[FrDoc]

I always find it interesting that given human nature questions are usually posed, “Can I/we ________ ?” I’m speaking in a general context, not just the question of this thread. There are myriad questions that can be answered, “Yes, you can ________”. However, herein lies the recipe for all sorts of unintended consequences, such as those stated above in the context of feeding mice. We would do much better to ask, “Should I/we __________ ?” Many significant problems can be circumvented, and unintended consequences averted by throwing the “why” element into our initial consideration(s).

 

[Storm76]

I will -never- understand why some keepers think it 1) a good idea and b) feeding mice to a T.

No matter the excuses - this most often comes down to the keeper just wanting to watch the T kill that poor thing. Which is the entirely wrong approach in the first place. Care about the T that it has a habitat it'll find accomodating, access to fresh water and feed the usual insects.

There is no whatsoever need in my book to feed anything but worms, crickets, roaches, locusts aso to a T. Or do you let a certain species bite your Chihuaha too - just to see if it's true that it can kill a dog in a couple hours?!

Sorry, this kinda stuff could be entirely prevent if you people would just use the search function on here, or actually use some common sense and read up on care before acquiring the animal.

 

[MurderousMoppit]

I will -never- understand why some keepers think it 1) a good idea and b) feeding mice to a T.

No matter the excuses - this most often comes down to the keeper just wanting to watch the T kill that poor thing. Which is the entirely wrong approach in the first place. Care about the T that it has a habitat it'll find accomodating, access to fresh water and feed the usual insects.

There is no whatsoever need in my book to feed anything but worms, crickets, roaches, locusts aso to a T. Or do you let a certain species bite your Chihuaha too - just to see if it's true that it can kill a dog in a couple hours?!

Sorry, this kinda stuff could be entirely prevent if you people would just use the search function on here, or actually use some common sense and read up on care before acquiring the animal.

Hey my guy, thanks for sharing your thought. Before I found this website I saw other online resources suggesting to feed her an occasional pinky mouse once a week. Like I said before though, thanks to many of your comments and information on here, I now know not to feed my T pinky mice now!

I disagree with your former statement suggesting I am feeding her fun. I respect my T and care about her health. I don't feed her for my pleasure. I usually just leave her alone in my quiet bedroom. I am doing my best to keep her happy, my dude.

You seem frustrated with me, suggesting I purposefully acquired this species. That is not the case. My buddy works at an exotic pet store in Las Vegas and called me asking if I would buy her at a discount price. (65$ too much?) He said nobody bought her for almost a year because she is too aggressive to handle and that's why she was on sale. After informing him that she was a T. Stirmi and not a T. Blondi. he said he was unaware, but it may have had to do with it as well. I imagine someone informed management she was a different species so they sold her for cheaper.

I understand yours, and others frustrations with my mistakes in the hobby thus far. I am just trying to help out my new T. Stirmi as much as possible.

Thank you all again for taking the time to read and comment.

 

[dangerforceidle]

$65 for a T. stirmi that size is still a pretty good price, I'd say.

I don't think the post from @Storm76 was meant entirely for you, more just a venting of frustrations about this topic in general. You have been very receptive to criticism and suggestions, which is always appreciated in newcomers that take the time to post questions here. Just understand that people here are very passionate about the health of these awesome creatures. Sometimes a little more emotion comes through in posts than intended.

 

[Chris LXXIX]

There's only one thing that piss me off (a bit, just a bit, uh) about the "T's and pinky mice/whatever feeding" issue.

Why no one of those admit their pleasure into hearing those screams of agony, uhm?

Why bother to type/speaking about silly "scientific", or less scientific, garbage?
We aren't in the wild, at the end - unless someone really lives, with his/her Theraphosa spp, into an 'Uncle Tom' house in the Amazon, maybe just next Ruggero Deodato's/Eli Roth's cannibals -

Why those people keeps talking about a "differently diet" and else?
As if the others, that since forever offered only crickets and B.dubia to their ones, are 'Stoopid-Ville' stupids that harmed their T's.

Why not telling the truth, like:
"yes, I love to hear those screams of pain, to see the pure 'hunt', and no, I don't give a damn about what you may think."

Mah, I say

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

I will -never- understand why some keepers think it 1) a good idea and b) feeding mice to a T.

No matter the excuses - this most often comes down to the keeper just wanting to watch the T kill that poor thing. Which is the entirely wrong approach in the first place. Care about the T that it has a habitat it'll find accomodating, access to fresh water and feed the usual insects.

There is no whatsoever need in my book to feed anything but worms, crickets, roaches, locusts aso to a T. Or do you let a certain species bite your Chihuaha too - just to see if it's true that it can kill a dog in a couple hours?!

Sorry, this kinda stuff could be entirely prevent if you people would just use the search function on here, or actually use some common sense and read up on care before acquiring the animal.

Search is nice , mines not working on iPhone for some reason. No search
, my laptop charge port died it no longer works .

 

[cold blood]

Before I found this website I saw other online resources suggesting to feed her an occasional pinky mouse once a week.

An occasional one might be one or two a year....once a week isn't occasional, its a seriously, ridiculous over feeding at once a week....case in point as to the inaccuracy of most of the stuff you hear or read on the net.

I disagree with your former statement suggesting I am feeding her fun.

You clearly misunderstood....
He wasn't suggesting you, but the general sentiment from those writing those things you read.

You seem frustrated with me

Again, not with you, but with the poor info that's suggested to new keepers.

Why no one of those admit their pleasure into hearing those screams of agony, uhm?

Because serial killers don't generally make themselves known.

Seriously, some 18 years ago I took bad pet store advice and fed a mouse....instantly it was obvious to me that it was simple animal cruelty. Listening to the mouse scream for an hour made that clear. If that wasn't enough of a deterrent (it was), then there was the atrocious smell that followed as the t mashed the thing into a ball for 30 hours....the stink of death was absolutely horrific.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Never heard a mouse scream sounds unfortunate, I seen em die almost instantly. Screem must had been depressing and saddening.
Lots of people make YouTube videos of a tarantula or centepedes eating mice , just for entertainment Sadly.
Smell make sure it’s not worth it, Dubai or laterals are best alternative.
Ts in wild probably see mice as a threat not food, depending on how hungry they are.

 

[Storm76]

Hey my guy, thanks for sharing your thought. Before I found this website I saw other online resources suggesting to feed her an occasional pinky mouse once a week. Like I said before though, thanks to many of your comments and information on here, I now know not to feed my T pinky mice now!

I disagree with your former statement suggesting I am feeding her fun. I respect my T and care about her health. I don't feed her for my pleasure. I usually just leave her alone in my quiet bedroom. I am doing my best to keep her happy, my dude.

You seem frustrated with me, suggesting I purposefully acquired this species. That is not the case. My buddy works at an exotic pet store in Las Vegas and called me asking if I would buy her at a discount price. (65$ too much?) He said nobody bought her for almost a year because she is too aggressive to handle and that's why she was on sale. After informing him that she was a T. Stirmi and not a T. Blondi. he said he was unaware, but it may have had to do with it as well. I imagine someone informed management she was a different species so they sold her for cheaper.

I understand yours, and others frustrations with my mistakes in the hobby thus far. I am just trying to help out my new T. Stirmi as much as possible.

Thank you all again for taking the time to read and comment.

I should have worded it a little more differentiated, I guess. My frustration is with the subject in general, not you as a keeper - I don't even know you. This wasn't directed at you personally, it was directed at the general idea of feeding mice. Hope that clears it up.

 

[EulersK]

Sorry, this kinda stuff could be entirely prevent if you people would just use the search function on here

This could just about be your signature! Welcome back to AB, where the search function is completely ignored

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

This could just about be your signature! Welcome back to AB, where the search function is completely ignored

MIne won’t work on mobile , laptop died.

Why do all old caresheets suggestions a occasional mouse or lizards??

 

[cold blood]

Why do all old caresheets suggestions a occasional mouse or lizards??

Pretty much all care info in care sheets is wrong...why would you expect their feeding recommendations to be any different?


Moral of the story? DO NOT READ CARE SHEETS----EVER!!!