Arachnophobia (fear itself).

Fred Leggett

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I'm new. I've read several/many threads. None specifically addressed what I'm about to write. It could be enlightening for those both with (and without) arachnophobia.

First off, I don't particularly like the term arachnophobia, as it's too vague. Arachnids cover a large swath of creatures, from acariformes (mites) to thelyphonida (whip scorpions, etc.). Most people seem to have a rational fear of some arachnids (e.g., scorpions) and an irrational fear of others (e.g, vinegaroons). Whether this fear is learned or genetic in nature is largely irrelevant when discussing coping and overcoming strategies (namely, education and exposure, preferably in that order).

I am not crippled by arachnophobia. Scorpions, crabs, mites, and other animals do not faze me. I do, however, suffer from, for lack of a better phrase, large spider phobia. Naturally, this means tarantulas are at the top of my "get away from me" list.

This might be tied to a more generalized fear of displaced gigantism. The comically large rats and other critters from "The Food of the Gods" (that probably dates me) make me queasy, for instance, even though I'm fine with normal-sized rats. Similarly, I find jumping spiders rather cute, but hairy wolf spiders and beyond are a no-no. However, I am, oddly, perfectly fine with large orb weavers and find them quite beautiful.

This leads into a secondary fear - the web and what it represents. When I was very young, I watched an old b&w episode of Tarzan where Boy was chased into an enormous spiderweb, one large enough to temporarily suspend his entire body. On either side, what looked like monstrous spiders of an unknown type began to close in for the kill. I only have a hazy memory of Boy finally jerking and cutting his way out of said web before being tagged. This undoubtedly lit the fuse. Later in life, but also when I was a child, my face almost collided with a perfectly symmetrical and ridiculously ornate round web, with the usual suspect front and center. I avoided contact by mere millimeters. This made me extremely wary of webs of all shapes and sizes, particularly large organized ones at eye level. This ran the fuse.

What lie at the end of the fuse was undoubtedly the 1977 movie "Kingdom of the Spiders" with William Shatner and Woody Strode (I currently own the SE DVD, but rarely watch it). I've read that otherwise docile Red Knees comprised the majority of the hapless tarantula population and that hundreds were killed in its production (wild filmmaking times). However, to a young and impressionable mind already primed for T-phobia, this was like a supernova bomb of absolute terror. I still do not like to think about it to this day. The 70's were a particularly brutal time for humans battling against nature, partially spurred by Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" (see "No Blade of Grass" and "Phase IV" for additional examples).

There were, of course, other movies which capitalized on the overall audience fear of spiders. The sequence in "Something Wicked This Way Comes" where the two boys are practically doused with Ts is a scene that, to this day, I frequently fail to sit through. The translucent spider in "Krull" is fairly terrifying. There's an especially distressing spot in "The Incredible Shrinking Man" where Grant Williams' character is nearly eaten by a sprinting T (in reality, it was being slowly cooked to death by studio spotlights and was desperately trying to find shade). The recent aptly-titled "Arachnophobia" with John Goodman gave me plenty of heebie-jeebies, with enough Avondales for every boy and girl in the audience (and then some). "Eight-Legged Freaks" was just too cartoonish to take seriously, but 2003's "Hangman's Curse" was no joke, with a multitude of real-live Ts running amok near the end. The crème de la crème is, of course, "Tarantula" with a young, uncredited Clint Eastwood and a T absurdly enlarged to the size of a small mountain (I guess no one invited the square cube law to that party [the same with TFotG]).

I am - at least I think I am - getting past my large-spider-phobia. I've watched endless YouTube feeding and rehousing videos and even recently visited my local zoo, which had a few Ts on display. I'm now aware of certain behaviors and sane approaches, which make them much less an alien threat and much more an acceptable terrestrial inhabitant. And there is a genuine feeling of purposefulness and camaraderie within the enthusiast community, which is weirdly enthralling.

In any event, that's my story (at least, some of it). I'll be attending our local Repticon in late January to see if my T-phobia still applies. I was going to try to handle a calm specimen from a willing vendor, but after reading numerous sobering posts in the bite forum, I'm reconsidering. I do plan to play around with a few snakes, though (I'm fascinated by them).

This was far too long, but I hope was illuminating and maybe familiar to some degree.
 

Fred Leggett

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That's what I've read, though "hundreds" might be an overstatement. Some were definitely destroyed, though, as evidenced by the town assault scene, where the sheriff's car can clearly be seen running over many. There's also the scene in the inn where a handful were boiled alive in a sink. A few were cooked on an incandescent lamp. Shatner throws off a bed cover covered in critters to save a small girl and they all go flying. If you look at the Ts carefully in the movie, you can see where many have almost completely bald abdomens. At least one gets shot with a handgun (believe it or not). A bunch get sprayed with goopy fire retardant. I also recall a documentary where a crewmember said several were shattered in height falls. They were also forced to cohabitate in extremely close quarters. I suspect quite a few had their fangs snipped, as there's no way they could've gotten the shots otherwise.

If you haven't seen the movie, you might consider a watch, though keep in mind it was made in 1977. It will probably make you angry.
 

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Ugh, that's awful. Good on you for working through your fears, it's never a simple task.
 

Fred Leggett

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Hairy beasts are seldom an object of attraction (I say that with familiarity and a tinge of sadness).
 

DanBsTs

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And there is a genuine feeling of purposefulness and camaraderie within the enthusiast community, which is weirdly enthralling.
This. As all communities, In sure there is the occasional troll or two. By and large I have found the T hobbiest community to be very helpful and passionate. Very helpful for someone new like myself.
 

Garth Vader

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Hello and cheers to you for working so hard to overcome your phobia. I'm a behavioral therapist/ exposure therapist and one of the things I treat is phobias. I have had some patients with fear of insects (that's how I got started with this hobby). I have found, that like you wrote, the fears tend to be rather specific. For some it is true spiders, for some it is tarantulas, still for others it is flying insects. The fears can be based on some past experience of that created fear learning (sometimes). In general, I find that the "why" of the issue is less important than the "what to do about it" (but you'll hear most behaviorists say this, while the Freudians say something totally different :pompous:). But basically the "what to do about it" is to create new learning experiences through exposure scenarios which will overlay the old fear learning.

Your job to overcome your fear is to continue to practice ways of exposing yourself to the feared objects. You are doing that and you are noticing it is helping! I think it is a great idea for people with arachnophobia to have pet insects, or at the very least, to always keep pictures or models of insects around so that you are seeing them regularly. Because fear cannot be unlearned completely, having some way of ensuring regular exposure is a very helpful and necessary way to prevent relapses.

I'm glad to answer any questions about it if you ever have any. Most of the techniques I use are based on the book Exposure Therapy for Anxiety by Abramowitcz. It is a really good text and it is written for clinicians, but I think anyone can read it if they are interested.

People who work on their fears are amazing! So many people just avoid them and live life with that fear. I commend you for your hard work! And you are right- there is a nice community with this hobby, from what I have observed.
 

Fred Leggett

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It is somewhat odd. You would think a fear would be more patterned and mostly generalized, such as acrophobia or cynophobia, but it often isn't. Why would someone find your typical jumping spider cute while recoiling in revulsion over a mature White Knee when they share essential features? This is why I think my fear is more rooted in gigantism rather than what's commonly attributed to arachnophobia. But even that isn't the sole story, as I'm perfectly fine with even the largest orb weaver, whereas hairy (versus fluffy or shaggy) bigger-than-a-silver-dollar sized spiders are problematic.

Of course, a venomous critter possessing 1-inch large paired fangs and lightning-fast reflexes doesn't help.

I have a 67' TV that I frequently watch YouTube-based spider videos. And I'm normally only around seven or eight feet away. All in requisite 1080p. Many of these videos are shot by very competent cinematographers with large followings. I think this sort of exposure has done wonders for reducing my fear and anxiety.

I did have a setback recently, though, when surfing through YT (it's both a blessing and a curse). I can't find it right now, but I happened across a highly unpleasant video of a T round-up of sorts in a southeast Asian country (maybe Cambodia or Thailand). Hundreds of black Ts were caught and thrown into large plastic tubs, all piled on top of each other. As if that wasn't enough, a Caucasian naturalist filming a documentary selected around ten or twelve of the biggest and hardiest females, placed all of them on his person, and returned them one-by-one into the wild for repopulation purposes. Each were enormous, easily the size of dinnerplates. They were amazingly docile and never even threat postured or kicked hairs, but seeing the sheer number combined with this guy pulling a Raiders of the Lost Ark/Fear Factor (no matter how benevolent) made me, well, VERY squeamish. It was a difficult experience that I'm not keen on repeating. I can only imagine how nightmarish it would've been to be there in person (all my progress would've probably been instantaneously annihilated).

In any event, thanks for the offer of assistance. I might need it after Repticon (I do plan to take some pharmaceutical-grade relaxants before entering the exhibit hall).
 

Fred Leggett

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I found the video. Still unnerves me.

(Edit - wicker baskets, not plastic tubs.)

 
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TreeHugger

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Thanks for coming here and sharing your story.

I can share with you now, that I was hugely spider-phobic. It crippled me to the point of not even wanting to go camping because I was so frightened of them. I, like you, decided to work on my fear by educating myself about them. I also exposed myself to them, no matter how uncomfortable it made me. I read articles. I watched documentaries. I sought out National Geographic images and articles. I slowly starting changing. My fears turned to fascination.

Now? I have a tattoo of a spider on my collarbone and I got my first tarantula a few months ago and i absolutely LOVE her. It is amazing how fear can be changed and I hope this will happen for you too. Even if you never get to the point of owning a T, I hope you can at least overcome your fear to see how amazing and beautiful spiders are.

I love love love my Lily girl. I am even considering getting another tarantula, but a different species. :)
 

Chris LXXIX

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'The Food of the Gods' (Bert I. Gordon, 1976)?

High five from probably the only Italian that watched that movie in the '80 :rofl:
 

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I found the video. Still unnerves me.

(Edit - wicker baskets, not plastic tubs.)

He is not very smart to handle those spiders like that, i was waiting for them to bite him tbh, and him having to go for a trip to the local ER. Old World bites are no picnic.
This is probably not doing any good for your fear though...

I think you are brave and intelligent to want to overcome your fear. Overcoming this does not mean you need to be able to pull stuff off like this guy does. He's doing everything you shouldn't do really.
I was cringing the entire time, if one of those fell off him it would be dead. Stupid sensationalist :shifty:
 

Fred Leggett

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Chris, yep, that's the one, starring the one and only Marjoe Gortner (aka Mr. Starcrash). Apparently, a sequel was produced in 1989 called Gnaw, but I've never seen it. At least the original was sourced from part of a novel by H.G. Wells....

TreeHugger, I really can't see myself obtaining a T. Not due to fear, but rather because I likely couldn't help myself and would futz around with it. And then I'd get tagged. And then I'd discover I was allergic. And then I wouldn't have an Epi-pen nearby. And then I'd have to be medically transported. And then I'd have to be hospitalized. And then I'd be bankrupt due to lack of insurance. And then I'd have to liquidate my assets just to survive. And then I'd be living underneath a bridge somewhere looking like fried Nick Nolte.

America is great.

I know there's a fairly big debate from handlers versus non-handlers. While I lean toward the latter, as handling probably just stresses out the spider, I can see merit in the former for educational purposes and phobia coping. One would also need to quasi-handle in the case of an escape or enclosure issue. And then there're other complications, like stuck molt or ICU interventions (but those are outliers).

Andrea, I'm honestly perplexed by how no one is getting bit in that video. It wasn't outright stated, but perhaps their fangs have been dulled or outright snipped. If so, without a restorative molt, that would be a death sentence and releasing a few back into the wild would be fruitless. Also seems unlikely, as the natives often want sharp fangs as toothpicks. Bizarre.

Speaking of bites, Coyote Peterson recently let himself get envenomated by a giant desert centipede. Hilarity ensued. Worth a watch (it's a two-parter).
 

DanBsTs

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Speaking of bites, Coyote Peterson recently let himself get envenomated by a giant desert centipede. Hilarity ensued. Worth a watch (it's a two-parter).
I just watched that! I've seen all his insect sting/bite videos and have always wondered why he doesn't do it with T's. Maybe the mechanicle damage alone is not something he wants to do over and over.
 

Fred Leggett

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Well, I always thought he was a little reckless, but not gene-pool-removal stupid. However, everyone knows the venom from that beast is "medically significant" (I think it's cytotoxic, which is the worst), so I'm not at all sure what he was trying to prove, as he already has a high subscriber and viewer count. I doubt it's even on the Schmidt Pain Index.

Would be interesting to see him getting tagged by a T. Make it OW just to be edgy.
 

Chris LXXIX

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Chris, yep, that's the one, starring the one and only Marjoe Gortner (aka Mr. Starcrash). Apparently, a sequel was produced in 1989 called Gnaw, but I've never seen it. At least the original was sourced from part of a novel by H.G. Wells....
I have watched 'Denti Assassini' aka 'Gnaw' (Damian Lee, 1989).
Maaaaan that was the ultimate #### :rofl: because wasn't even funny, at least.

TreeHugger, I really can't see myself obtaining a T. Not due to fear, but rather because I likely couldn't help myself and would futz around with it. And then I'd get tagged. And then I'd discover I was allergic. And then I wouldn't have an Epi-pen nearby. And then I'd have to be medically transported. And then I'd have to be hospitalized. And then I'd be bankrupt due to lack of insurance. And then I'd have to liquidate my assets just to survive. And then I'd be living underneath a bridge somewhere looking like fried Nick Nolte.

America is great.
Everytime I hear those things everytime I'm happy to be Italian and I think that, sometimes, I'm a bit too hard in regards of my lovely nation. Everything you mentioned (despite a Theraphosidae bite) here is free. Free. Including, of course, those people that, poorer, can't afford to pay the taxes that mantains said healthcare system, for everyone.
 

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I actually believe "fear" (probably better identified as reluctance due to a perceived threat) is a major attraction to the hobby. Every time I unpack a new specimen, adult, juvie, or sling, my heart rate goes up due to the anticipation of what MAY occur. It has little to do with being bitten (at least initially), but more with the unknown(s) of how I'm going to have to react. Is the T gonna hang on the packaging? Is it gonna teleport as soon as it is freed? It's an endorphin thing. Enjoy it!
 

DanBsTs

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Every time I unpack a new specimen, adult, juvie, or sling, my heart rate goes up due to the anticipation of what MAY occur.
This. It's the same with me. The excitement is palpable. Even though I'm new to the hobby I can't see myself ever not being extatic from getting a new T or seeing one molt.
 

Fred Leggett

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I've been an inpatient at least 20 times due to various maladies, from thyroglossal duct cysts to kidney stones to necrotized intestines (the last one almost killed me). Fortunately, I've had insurance of some type every time, but you can't imagine how obliterative it is to rack up a gigantic medical bill without decent coverage. Your only remedy is to declare bankruptcy and enjoy 7 years of a credit-ruined life or throw a Hail Mary and petition for the hospital and associated doctors to do a write-off. The U.S. absolutely sucks in this regard (IMNSHO). Trust me, you have the superior system (assuming wait times aren't intolerable).
 

Garth Vader

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I actually believe "fear" (probably better identified as reluctance due to a perceived threat) is a major attraction to the hobby. Every time I unpack a new specimen, adult, juvie, or sling, my heart rate goes up due to the anticipation of what MAY occur. It has little to do with being bitten (at least initially), but more with the unknown(s) of how I'm going to have to react. Is the T gonna hang on the packaging? Is it gonna teleport as soon as it is freed? It's an endorphin thing. Enjoy it!

I was thinking about this when there was a thread comparing keeping Ts to riding motorcycles. It does seem like it can be an adrenaline/ risk taking kind of hobby for some, which would be really rooted in fear. I have found it interesting that my Ts made me pretty nervous at first and I'm pretty comfortable (always cautious) around them. I tend to be pretty risk averse though and you're a lot more likely to find me reading a book with a blanket than doing anything extreme, but well, I keep NW Ts.

It is REALLY exciting to unpack Ts though. It's like Christmas but more exciting.
 
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