Aquestion about Grammostola sp.

[dalitan]

Hi there friends...

Is there an sp Grammostola north?............or its just another name for rosea?if not , what are the difference?.....i tired to look for its picture here in t directory grammostola ...but i cant find one....

can anyone show me some pics of it?....what is the common mane for it...i mean if rosea is "chilen rose".....G. north is what?

thank you so much...

if u can add some tips(care sheets...), i would be greatful...
:worship:

 

[dalitan]

help lps...

 

[fartkowski]

I have never heard of this species but I would assume you keep it like any other Grammostola spp.
Dry substrate and a water dish.

 

[ShellsandScales]

Sounds like a name that was made up by the ?importer/wholesaler/collector?. Maybe based on where the specimen was collected or imported from. Just a guess I've never heard of that before either.

 

[Mina]

Yes, there is a species Grammostola "north". Several of the breeders have had them for sale, they are not Grammostola rosea.
I don't know what they look like, I've never seen a picture. Try a web search and see if you can find one.

 

[Zelli]

I found a picture on: http://www.thespidershop.co.uk/inse...=1539&osCsid=e2f0f7e465ea258cd9fd76cae99f2ce7

Description: Chile Grammostola species.
TOP Grammostola porteri (Normal Colour form G.rosea), MIDDLE Grammostola rosea (Red Colour Form G.rosea), BOTTOM Grammostola sp. "North"

 

[Kid Dragon]

Location, Location, Location

Zelli,

Nice pix and link. I had never heard of Grammostola sp. 'North'.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Grammostola rosea is found in central Chile, and Grammostola sp. 'Red Concepcion' is the southern most species of T in Chile.

 

[dalitan]

thank you so much..

about the link there ,thank you so much...i posted already some of its pics at the grammostola directory...

now i can see that theres a difference between the north and rosea when it comes to carapace color...rosea is a bit reddish but the north is some quiet yellowish...hehe am i right.?..hehehe

and north is a little bit hairy than rosea?...

thank you so much friends...

 

[desertdweller]

Good question. Glad to have the information.

 

[bliss]

hi there!

i know some of you guys were just waiting for me to chime in, as Grammy's are my fav. genus!

I have owned a LOT of different species of grammostola before, including a couple Grammostola sp. North. They look almost exactly like a G rosea, except they have a slight metallic/white look to their setae. As far as caresheets... probably are none, at least well documented ones. I've noticed that for the most part, they are almost EXACTLY like G rosea, even in their temperament.

Thus i can say: Do for a G sp north as you would do for a G rosea.

As far as them being the SAME sp, well, your guess is as good as mine. I have examined molts from both sp., and i can't tell the difference. Even looking at them, you'd swear a Sp north was just a really really pretty Rosea, but nothing more.. but once again, you never know.

Grammostola sp Concepcion, now there's a different story.. those are definitely NOT a type of rosea, as far as i have observed. They look similar, but in person... just, different. no other way i can explain it.

anyways, to answer your question, it is still in question as to whether Sp north is a varient of Rosea. Until further research is done, we may never know. What most people do not realize is that Chilean Tarantula species are almost as much of a mess in taxonomy at this point as Aphonopelma in the US. and that doesn't just go for Chilean species of Grammostola, but also for Euathlus and paraphysa.

--Dan--

 

[dalitan]

thank you so much for the information......

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Very strange Dan You don't find a decent difference between "G. rosea" and sp Concepcion as it is already discussed and shown here...
THat's make strange Your words "as Grammy's are my fav. genus!" and "no other way i can explain it" OR "have examined molts from both sp".
Have you also examine molts of sp Concepcion?

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

And in addition, just to note, G rosea "RCF" require a little bit more humidity when so-called unidentified "G. porteri" as dealers start to call the ordinary G. rosea. So, keep it with a water bowl filled with water constantly but still on semidry to dry substratum.

 

[bliss]

Very strange Dan You don't find a decent difference between "G. rosea" and sp Concepcion as it is already discussed and shown here...
THat's make strange Your words "as Grammy's are my fav. genus!" and "no other way i can explain it" OR "have examined molts from both sp".
Have you also examine molts of sp Concepcion?

i think you are misunderstanding my words...

1. i do find a big difference between G rosea and concepcion. read my post again carefully. what i meant by "they look similar, but in person..." is that online or in a picture, the concepcion looks a LOT like a rosea rcf, but in person they are definitely different.

2. Red concepcion was only mentioned once in this thread before i mentioned it, and not explained in detail (post #7). now if you mean on the website or on other arachnid websites as a whole, then you must realize i might have missed it, as i've been away from this hobby for quite some time.

3. Grammy's ARE my fav. genus. I have owned many different species of grammy, and i have those who can attest to that.

2. By "no other way i can explain it", i mean in appearance. you look at conception, you know right away it's different, though you might not be able to pinpoint what it is at first. it takes some observing, which i did not get to do as much as i would have liked, due to work, life, etc.. you can see it in the color, and i did however notice that the setae around the tarsus area was a bit fluffier on the concepcion.. my specimen was still around 3", so it wasn't the biggest and the "best" of specimens to be observing in the first place. That's about as far as i got before i had to sell.

3. i did not get a chance to examine molts from concepcion because right after i got the concepcion specimen, i had to sell all my t's. I have looked at the sp north molt and compared it to a rosea, but like i said, i didn't even have the concepcion specimen long enough for it to molt. as far as the north and rosea goes, i don't see much difference except in color. maybe when i can get a good microscope and build back up a T collection after college, i can look further into it.

hope that clears a couple things up.


--dan--

 

[bliss]

And in addition, just to note, G rosea "RCF" require a little bit more humidity when so-called unidentified "G. porteri" as dealers start to call the ordinary G. rosea.

M.F. Baugatrov, here's something i may ask of you:


Porteri... Now there's a grammy i haven't owned, have only seen pics. what is the deal with the porteri? compared to rosea?


porteri, vachoni, and grossa are about the only grammies i haven't owned, as far as "in the hobby" goes. Vachoni and grossa are very rare here in the states; porteri were available, i just never got around to picking one up.

--dan--

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Hi Dan!

O.k., I see, but.
In fact, if You look at the legs of a good shot of sp Concepsion You will ID it from any other similar looking to G. rosea species as its widen scopula is clearly seen from the overall view, not only underside.

As for the porteri - find my post on ATS forum in the related thread and You'll see what did I mean.
As for vachoni I don't have a clue how it looks like and how it may be indentifiable except some pictures with dodgy ID in www. Like this one: http://www.arachnophilia.de/de/popupart/1130 which show not any Grammostola, but other genus representative at all.

 

[M.F.Bagaturov]

Look accurately on these photos of G. sp Concepcion: http://www.spidy.goliathus.com/english/grammostola-spec-concepcion-id341.html
You will find it clear.

 

[bliss]

Hi Dan!

O.k., I see, but.
In fact, if You look at the legs of a good shot of sp Concepsion You will ID it from any other similar looking to G. rosea species as its widen scopula is clearly seen from the overall view, not only underside.

As for the porteri - find my post on ATS forum in the related thread and You'll see what did I mean.
As for vachoni I don't have a clue how it looks like and how it may be indentifiable except some pictures with dodgy ID in www. Like this one: http://www.arachnophilia.de/de/popupart/1130 which show not any Grammostola, but other genus representative at all.

hi mikhail,

yeah man, i knew something was going on with the legs of concepcion just didn't know if it was that one particular specimen or if all were like that, glad to see they are definitely identifiable from rosea . like i said, my experience with concepcion has been limited, hopefully i can obtain some more after college and look more into it, as well as start some breeding projects.

now that i think of it... i don't recall meeting anyone in the US with vachoni. hopefully we can get some more info on vachoni as time goes on.

Look accurately on these photos of G. sp Concepcion: http://www.spidy.goliathus.com/english/grammostola-spec-concepcion-id341.html
You will find it clear.

awesome mikhail, thanks for the link! i do see the widened scopulae, they have a big wide feather-like appearance, which is what mine had, so i guess it wasn't just a case of "T individuality" after all

--dan--

 

[arachyd]

Those are beautiful.