Aphonopelma johnnycashi

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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between aphonopelma johnnycashi and aphonopelma eutylenum? As far as I can tell, they look exactly the same based on the pictures I’ve seen. I have a theory that some arrived on a shipment to Folsom prison from Southern California and that’s why they are only found in that specific area. Any information is greatly appreciated.
 

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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between aphonopelma johnnycashi and aphonopelma eutylenum? As far as I can tell, they look exactly the same based on the pictures I’ve seen. I have a theory that some arrived on a shipment to Folsom prison from Southern California and that’s why they are only found in that specific area. Any information is greatly appreciated.
Based on the pics I found, the eutylenum seems lighter. The females seem to have really light legs, compared to the more striped and darker legs of the johnnycashi. Included the pics that I used to determine the difference.
 

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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between aphonopelma johnnycashi and aphonopelma eutylenum? As far as I can tell, they look exactly the same based on the pictures I’ve seen. I have a theory that some arrived on a shipment to Folsom prison from Southern California and that’s why they are only found in that specific area. Any information is greatly appreciated.
Your theory is hardly a theory. Read Dr Jason Bond's Apho revision, cashi is a unique species. They used cladistics and molecular.
 

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Based on the pics I found, the eutylenum seems lighter. The females seem to have really light legs, compared to the more striped and darker legs of the johnnycashi. Included the pics that I used to determine the difference.
Thank you for the picture comparison. I actually hadn’t seen those ones. Having a comparison like that I can see much more of a difference. And can in fact tell that they are different species.

Your theory is hardly a theory. Read Dr Jason Bond's Apho revision, cashi is a unique species. They used cladistics and molecular.
That was a bit of a condescending <edit> response. Just trying to learn here and kind of think out loud. With that said. I will read up on that and educate myself further.
 
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That was a bit of a condescending <edit> response. Just trying to learn here and kind of think out loud. With that said. I will read up on that and educate myself further.
Viper69 is blunt. You’ll get used to it. He is also correct though. The molecular data would have picked it up if they were the same species just separated by geography.
 

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Viper69 is blunt. You’ll get used to it. He is also correct though. The molecular data would have picked it up if they were the same species just separated by geography.
Is that what it is? I thought he was just being super rude to me earlier in another thread lol. :smug: Mind you, I'm Canadian so...there's that.
 

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Is that what it is? I thought he was just being super rude to me earlier in another thread lol. :smug: Mind you, I'm Canadian so...there's that.
He's been around for quite some time and has never been known to mince words lol. :rolleyes: Straight to the point and has definitely stepped on some toes in the process, but he generally means well and has a wealth of information to offer.

It's hard to know what "tone" is meant behind words when you don't have a voice to go with it.
 

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Is that what it is? I thought he was just being super rude to me earlier in another thread lol. :smug: Mind you, I'm Canadian so...there's that.
It’s not him being blunt, it’s him actually being a <edit>. I’ve been lurking these boards since 08, just recently decided to start an account. Mostly due to the fact of the gang mentality that runs rampant here. I’ve seen him around regularly, and yes, I’ll admit, he definitely knows his stuff and has a wealth of knowledge so I’ll give him that. Sadly however, he uses his knowledge to belittle people instead of guide them in the right direction. Now.. if we’re just being “blunt”, instead of anyone calling him out on it like I did, he’s been allowed to treat others like crap and pass it off as being “blunt”. I don’t have any personal vendetta against the dude, don’t get me wrong. But his days of stepping on people’s toes all for the sake of being a <edit> need to come to a screeching halt.
 
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It’s not him being blunt, it’s him actually being a <edit>. I’ve been lurking these boards since 08, just recently decided to start an account. Mostly due to the fact of the gang mentality that runs rampant here. I’ve seen him around regularly, and yes, I’ll admit, he definitely knows his stuff and has a wealth of knowledge so I’ll give him that. Sadly however, he uses his knowledge to belittle people instead of guide them in the right direction. Now.. if we’re just being “blunt”, instead of anyone calling him out on it like I did, he’s been allowed to treat others like crap and pass it off as being “blunt”. I don’t have any personal vendetta against the dude, don’t get me wrong. But his days of stepping on people’s toes all for the sake of being a <edit> need to come to a screeching halt.
I do agree with the belittling part. I did indeed feel that way. He disagreed with my saying Avics didn't need to be misted. He then pointed out that some like to drink from the sides of the glass. I agreed, but I said I preferred to pipette onto the web. He, in a roundabout way, basically called me an idiot. It definitely doesn't feel good. Especially when we're all just trying to gain knowledge and do better.
 
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I do agree with the belittling part. I did indeed feel that way. He disagreed with my saying Avics didn't need to be misted. He then pointed out that some like to drink from the sides of the glass. I agreed, but I said I preferred to pipette onto the web. He, in a roundabout way, basically called me an idiot. It definitely doesn't feel good. Especially when we're all just trying to gain knowledge and do better.
I’ve been keeping tarantulas for around 12 years. I by no means consider myself an expert. I know a lot, but I also recognize there is a lot I still don’t know. I see the purpose of this board as a way for others to learn from one another and get better at their practices when raising T’s. I’ve seen people post stuff that made me shake my head, but my first instinct wasn’t to put them down. Instead, guide them on the right path in a constructive manner. Like I said, I’ve been lurking here for years and just now started an account. You’re going to run into some less than pleasant people here who think they know everything. Just know you’re not the only one who has had to deal with this kind of stupidity that has been allowed to run rampant here.
 

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@Poonjab @Arachnanoob95
- Pictures are not useful for identification of species within complicated group as NA Aphonopelma-s are, because 1. the crucial differences between species are not visible on photos and 2. pictures You may find are often misidentified or indentified in past in different taxonomical situation.
- A. johnycashi doesnt live only around Folsom prison, where did You get that idea from. It lives in at least 7 counties along foothills of Sierra Nevada.
- Mature males of johnycashi and eutylenum can be distinguished based on carapax coloration and T3/A3 ratio. Females of these two species can only be distingushed based on locality of origin and molecularly.
 

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@Poonjab @Arachnanoob95
- Pictures are not useful for identification of species within complicated group as NA Aphonopelma-s are, because 1. the crucial differences between species are not visible on photos and 2. pictures You may find are often misidentified or indentified in past in different taxonomical situation.
- A. johnycashi doesnt live only around Folsom prison, where did You get that idea from. It lives in at least 7 counties along foothills of Sierra Nevada.
- Mature males of johnycashi and eutylenum can be distinguished based on carapax coloration and T3/A3 ratio. Females of these two species can only be distingushed based on locality of origin and molecularly.
I got the idea from from clearly poor information that I read online while trying to learn a bit more about them. That’s in large why I turned to the board to get a bit more info and have a better understanding. Knowing that there are people here who know more on the species than I do. Thanks for your response.
 

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<Admin Note>

One person's "blunt" is another person's "rude", it's entirely subjective to the individual. If you feel something breaks our rules, report it (pretty much everything on the site has the ability to be reported). If it does break our rules, we'll remove it. If a member rubs you the wrong way, or you don't like their posting style, have you been introduced to our "ignore feature"? ;)

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That ONLY works if you can access their profile. So what do you do when someone you want to ignore has their profile set so you can't view it? There is no option at that point!
 
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You should be able to ignore anyone by clicking on the link in my post and inputting their username. If you don't have that link, it can be done by clicking on your usermenu and then clicking on "people you ignore". Whether you can see that users profile or not shouldn't have any bearing on you being able to ignore them.
 

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where did You get that idea from.
I'll assume you are from Slovakia- I'm quite aware Europeans know a lot more about our culture than they care to know at times, but you may not know the following, and wouldn't expect you to either.

When the news of cashi hit the general public (CNN etc) here in the USA (it made it to the US news because of its name), every news article used the same info something like "..cashi newly discovered tarantula, got its name because it was found on the grounds of the prison....."

Welcome to American media;)
 
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