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Since this is also a discussion thread I have a question 
. How can you tell when they are sleeping?
. How can you tell when they are sleeping?
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Ooh I see now lol. Yesterday it kinda freaked me out, it curled up with its tail over its head and wouldn't move. Thanks
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Thompson, Halfway, Katy
Katy: If I fond a suitable lady they will usually go into my breeding projects, but since your so nice I will be on the look out LOL
Halfway: I like.........nice Blondie pics with a good solid dark foundation. Get that C.G. some offspring.
Thompson: Your right it is kind of strange becuase their eyes are open. It reminds me of that Kid in rock & roll what ever movie with the guy from the office that slept with his eyes open. It's even weirder when you pick them up and they are still asleep, then all of a sudden just freak out and wake up...........defintlely coooooooooooooooooooky. Would love to see some pictures if you get the chance thompson
Katy: If I fond a suitable lady they will usually go into my breeding projects, but since your so nice I will be on the look out LOL
Halfway: I like.........nice Blondie pics with a good solid dark foundation. Get that C.G. some offspring.
Thompson: Your right it is kind of strange becuase their eyes are open. It reminds me of that Kid in rock & roll what ever movie with the guy from the office that slept with his eyes open. It's even weirder when you pick them up and they are still asleep, then all of a sudden just freak out and wake up...........defintlely coooooooooooooooooooky. Would love to see some pictures if you get the chance thompson
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Lol joe very cooky indeed! Touched it and it didn't move and I thought it was dead D:!! (total newb) Here is Max
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"Just wondering if anyone has had any genetic problems in there breeding projects so I will know what to look for in my own?"
Interesting you ask & honestly thus far I have had none, but have seen many calcium deficent and or spinal problems from others. I did rescue one just beautiful solid strip blondie that was calcium deficent and passed him on to a good owner that wanted him becuause he was so stunning. You could definitely tell in jaw structre and the lower lip flapped over the upper. One interesting story I had that I have only experienced once was an emergency C on one of my great females. She had prolapsed (prolapse: A protrusion in the part that is swollen at the vent, anal opening . Thick redness coming out of the vent which is very serious and can be fatal. In this case a vet nor any home remedy (sugar water push back in etc...) could help her. she was a great breeder. The only thing I can think of is that it was either a bacterial infection or she pushed too hard during her last feces and or lay.
So she died but still had two eggs insied of her. It was dificult for me, but I sliced her open and carefully took out the eggs. I noticed the eggs look well deveoloed however, they lacked the hardness that full term usaully has. They grew for about a month, but soon rotted, man I was hoping to save her last few. Now Tacoma (thanks Tim) has the last two babies from her that he hatched out a while back. It was one heck of an experience.
"Just wondering if anyone has had any genetic problems in there breeding projects so I will know what to look for in my own?"
Interesting you ask & honestly thus far I have had none, but have seen many calcium deficent and or spinal problems from others. I did rescue one just beautiful solid strip blondie that was calcium deficent and passed him on to a good owner that wanted him becuause he was so stunning. You could definitely tell in jaw structre and the lower lip flapped over the upper. One interesting story I had that I have only experienced once was an emergency C on one of my great females. She had prolapsed (prolapse: A protrusion in the part that is swollen at the vent, anal opening . Thick redness coming out of the vent which is very serious and can be fatal. In this case a vet nor any home remedy (sugar water push back in etc...) could help her.
she was a great breeder. The only thing I can think of is that it was either a bacterial infection or she pushed too hard during her last feces and or lay. So she died but still had two eggs insied of her. It was dificult for me, but I sliced her open and carefully took out the eggs. I noticed the eggs look well deveoloed however, they lacked the hardness that full term usaully has. They grew for about a month, but soon rotted, man I was hoping to save her last few. Now Tacoma (thanks Tim) has the last two babies from her that he hatched out a while back. It was one heck of an experience.
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Thompson Nice:MAX
Good coloration a reddish/orange Dal. He will be a great breeder pair him up with a Red female and get the fire going.
Good coloration a reddish/orange Dal. He will be a great breeder pair him up with a Red female and get the fire going.
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Thanks Do you think he is fired up in that pic? I can't tell at all. Can't wait till he starts getting bigger though
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Thanks katy Lovin this new hobby a lot
Lovin this new hobby a lot
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Hes fired and It is a wonderful hobby. Nothing like feeding a little bugger right from your finger and have them lick it off with that little sticky tounge.................FUN
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Crested Cecko Morph ID Answers and more
The following information comes from the site: . http://www.ciliatus.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=42&Itemid=195
Hope it helps, Joe
White Fringe
White fringe generally refers to the white "trim" along the backs of the hind legs, but is also sometimes used to describe similar markings on the knee, shin and even around the feet.
Tiger/Brindle
The Tiger pattern looks just like one would imagine...usually a lighter colored gecko (tan, yellow or orange) with darker, contrasting bars covering the body. There are actually a couple of similar, yet distinct traits that are called Tiger . The Brindle name is commonly used interchangeably with the Tiger trait, usually reserved to describe the most extreme specimens.
Cream (Dorsal Pattern)
The "Cream" trait is a variant of the fire trait, where the dorsal (back) pattern and head are white-cream in color. This trait is well known for its role as a key component in the "Creamsicle" designer morph, which is essentially an orange gecko with a cream dorsal pattern.
The cream trait is fairly uncommon and is highly desirable amongst collectors and breeders.
Lateral Stripe
"Lateral Stripe" refers to a white linear pattern along a gecko's sides, between the front and hind legs. This element of the pattern is typcially only a series of white dots or dashes, but forms a complete line on geckos exhibiting the Lateral Stripe trait. This trait is usually only seen on geckos with the pinstripe trait.
Pinstripe
The pinstripe trait refers to the enlarged, light colored (usually white) scales that run down either side on the back of a Crested Gecko. The pinstripe can be broken/incomplete in many places or it can run all the way from the tail to the head. The more complete the stripe, the more desirable the gecko is to hobbyists.
Full pinstripes, such as the one shown below, have remained for several years as one of the most popular high-end crested gecko morphs amongst serious hobbyists, breeders and collectors.
Dalmatian
The Dalmatian trait refers to the spots scattered throughout the body. The larger the spots and the more there are, the more desirable the gecko is to hobbyists.
Harlequin
The Harlequin trait refers to the light colored pattern on the limbs and sides. This trait is invariably seen in conjunction with the Fire/Flame dorsal pattern. When a hobbyist refers to a "Harlequin" crested gecko, they are describing a gecko that exhibits the Fire/Flame trait as well as the Harlequin trait.
Fire or Flame
The fire/flame trait is referring to the colorful mottled pattern between the crests, running the length of the gecko's back.
Structural Traits
Crested geckos vary in shape, size and body structure almost as much as they do in color and pattern. As such, there are guidelines or goals that serious collectors are encouraged to keep in mind when selecting animals for their selective breeding projects.
Crests
The crests are one of the most unique things about crested geckos, so the most extreme and exaggerated crests are highly desireable.
Size/Frame
The larger the better is a rule of thumb when it comes to crested geckos. A large, fully-grown adult will weigh 45-60 grams, although I've produced a few that have attained weights of 70+ grams.
That being said, a gecko this size should still be lean and muscular. Geckos with a small or average size frame can achieve that kind of weight, but they're typically overweight or even obese, with saggy folds of skin and a round appearance. Obese geckos don't breed well, so don't get too carried away trying to fatten geckos up for the sake of saying they weigh a lot.
Head Width
Crested geckos have a very unique head structure in comparison with many geckos. Generally speaking, the head should have a strong, triangular shape to it. Serious collectors generally avoid geckos with narrow heads.
The following information comes from the site: . http://www.ciliatus.com/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=42&Itemid=195
Hope it helps, Joe
White Fringe
White fringe generally refers to the white "trim" along the backs of the hind legs, but is also sometimes used to describe similar markings on the knee, shin and even around the feet.
Tiger/Brindle
The Tiger pattern looks just like one would imagine...usually a lighter colored gecko (tan, yellow or orange) with darker, contrasting bars covering the body. There are actually a couple of similar, yet distinct traits that are called Tiger . The Brindle name is commonly used interchangeably with the Tiger trait, usually reserved to describe the most extreme specimens.
Cream (Dorsal Pattern)
The "Cream" trait is a variant of the fire trait, where the dorsal (back) pattern and head are white-cream in color. This trait is well known for its role as a key component in the "Creamsicle" designer morph, which is essentially an orange gecko with a cream dorsal pattern.
The cream trait is fairly uncommon and is highly desirable amongst collectors and breeders.
Lateral Stripe
"Lateral Stripe" refers to a white linear pattern along a gecko's sides, between the front and hind legs. This element of the pattern is typcially only a series of white dots or dashes, but forms a complete line on geckos exhibiting the Lateral Stripe trait. This trait is usually only seen on geckos with the pinstripe trait.
Pinstripe
The pinstripe trait refers to the enlarged, light colored (usually white) scales that run down either side on the back of a Crested Gecko. The pinstripe can be broken/incomplete in many places or it can run all the way from the tail to the head. The more complete the stripe, the more desirable the gecko is to hobbyists.
Full pinstripes, such as the one shown below, have remained for several years as one of the most popular high-end crested gecko morphs amongst serious hobbyists, breeders and collectors.
Dalmatian
The Dalmatian trait refers to the spots scattered throughout the body. The larger the spots and the more there are, the more desirable the gecko is to hobbyists.
Harlequin
The Harlequin trait refers to the light colored pattern on the limbs and sides. This trait is invariably seen in conjunction with the Fire/Flame dorsal pattern. When a hobbyist refers to a "Harlequin" crested gecko, they are describing a gecko that exhibits the Fire/Flame trait as well as the Harlequin trait.
Fire or Flame
The fire/flame trait is referring to the colorful mottled pattern between the crests, running the length of the gecko's back.
Structural Traits
Crested geckos vary in shape, size and body structure almost as much as they do in color and pattern. As such, there are guidelines or goals that serious collectors are encouraged to keep in mind when selecting animals for their selective breeding projects.
Crests
The crests are one of the most unique things about crested geckos, so the most extreme and exaggerated crests are highly desireable.
Size/Frame
The larger the better is a rule of thumb when it comes to crested geckos. A large, fully-grown adult will weigh 45-60 grams, although I've produced a few that have attained weights of 70+ grams.
That being said, a gecko this size should still be lean and muscular. Geckos with a small or average size frame can achieve that kind of weight, but they're typically overweight or even obese, with saggy folds of skin and a round appearance. Obese geckos don't breed well, so don't get too carried away trying to fatten geckos up for the sake of saying they weigh a lot.
Head Width
Crested geckos have a very unique head structure in comparison with many geckos. Generally speaking, the head should have a strong, triangular shape to it. Serious collectors generally avoid geckos with narrow heads.
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Thanks joe. I just got another gecko and I'm having trouble id'ing the morph. I'll post pics in a few
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Love his/her colors
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Thanks! It just finished shedding, now I just need to sex it
It just finished shedding, now I just need to sex it
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ID and thanks
No problem & yup your gecko matches the description well
"Harlequin
The Harlequin trait refers to the light colored pattern on the limbs and sides. This trait is invariably seen in conjunction with the Fire/Flame dorsal pattern. When a hobbyist refers to a "Harlequin" crested gecko, they are describing a gecko that exhibits the Fire/Flame trait as well as the Harlequin trait."
Good luck on sexing it is small, but you can use the sexing intro to help guide you that I posted earlier in the discussion. Hope you have a Loupe
No problem & yup your gecko matches the description well
"Harlequin
The Harlequin trait refers to the light colored pattern on the limbs and sides. This trait is invariably seen in conjunction with the Fire/Flame dorsal pattern. When a hobbyist refers to a "Harlequin" crested gecko, they are describing a gecko that exhibits the Fire/Flame trait as well as the Harlequin trait."
Good luck on sexing it is small, but you can use the sexing intro to help guide you that I posted earlier in the discussion. Hope you have a Loupe
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This thread should be a sticky! Great info, I learned a lot from here
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THe good ole days and Albino Crested's?
Agree, I know I am constantly learning, and there is so much to learn. With new things popping up every day it is such a wonderful hobby and to me never gets old. I was at my local Reptile getting some crickets and was just staring at all the albino columbian red-tails and remembering my first love back when I was about 3 or 4 hunting snakes, lizards, and Spiders in the hills. Man how the hobby has changed and grown. I remeber the first albino burmese & wow was that a trip had to have one, then many year later Pete (kahl) & Brian (Sharp) kicked off there albino columbian Red tails. Now they are all over and what is next always brings the excitement. Albino Crested Gecko? Possible? When? How?
This has been asked for a while and I can't think of anyone doing better justice then a friend of mine from Pangea forum, Matthew Parks. He states in a discussion on albino cresteds, "Ok heres the way I understand it. The mutation takes place as a recessive trait, so an animal born with the mutation is essentially het for albino. In order to get an actual albino, two animals with this mutation would have to be bred together and would produce a certain percentage of actual albinos (25% i think?). If I remember correctly the estimated occurance of this mutation is 1 in 75,000 or so. By that estimation there are probably a couple of het animals floating around out there, so it's just a waiting game until they are paired up.
As far as what they are gonna look like, well they just won't have any melanin, but they'll still have yellow, orange, and red pigments. They will also have typical crested gecko patterns, like flames, harly's, tigers and so on."
You can further read the discussion here: http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4383
Agree, I know I am constantly learning, and there is so much to learn. With new things popping up every day it is such a wonderful hobby and to me never gets old. I was at my local Reptile getting some crickets and was just staring at all the albino columbian red-tails and remembering my first love back when I was about 3 or 4 hunting snakes, lizards, and Spiders in the hills. Man how the hobby has changed and grown. I remeber the first albino burmese & wow was that a trip had to have one, then many year later Pete (kahl) & Brian (Sharp) kicked off there albino columbian Red tails. Now they are all over and what is next always brings the excitement. Albino Crested Gecko? Possible? When? How?
This has been asked for a while and I can't think of anyone doing better justice then a friend of mine from Pangea forum, Matthew Parks. He states in a discussion on albino cresteds, "Ok heres the way I understand it. The mutation takes place as a recessive trait, so an animal born with the mutation is essentially het for albino. In order to get an actual albino, two animals with this mutation would have to be bred together and would produce a certain percentage of actual albinos (25% i think?). If I remember correctly the estimated occurance of this mutation is 1 in 75,000 or so. By that estimation there are probably a couple of het animals floating around out there, so it's just a waiting game until they are paired up.
As far as what they are gonna look like, well they just won't have any melanin, but they'll still have yellow, orange, and red pigments. They will also have typical crested gecko patterns, like flames, harly's, tigers and so on."
You can further read the discussion here: http://www.pangeareptile.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4383
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Blue Crested Gecko?
I recently was asked about the blue crested gecko.
My response is that true blues do not exist, there can be grey's fired that give off a tint of blue and when photographed professionally by say Reptiles Mag might appear blueish. However, I have yet to see a true blue Crested. Please if you have one get me some pictures and let me in on it :drool: . This is a quote from Sandfire Dragon Ranch "If you are interested in the fabled "blue" crested gecko, we’re sorry, but the title is accurate--blue crested geckos remain a fable. If you are certain that they exist because of a picture that you saw in a 2003 Reptiles Annual, accept our apologies. The picture from the 2003 Reptiles Annual was taken right here at the Ranch and through an unintentional photographic anomaly, the center gecko appeared more blue than it truly is. We have the largest collection of crested geckos in the world and "blue" cresteds just don’t exist...yet."
I recently was asked about the blue crested gecko.
My response is that true blues do not exist, there can be grey's fired that give off a tint of blue and when photographed professionally by say Reptiles Mag might appear blueish. However, I have yet to see a true blue Crested. Please if you have one get me some pictures and let me in on it :drool: . This is a quote from Sandfire Dragon Ranch "If you are interested in the fabled "blue" crested gecko, we’re sorry, but the title is accurate--blue crested geckos remain a fable. If you are certain that they exist because of a picture that you saw in a 2003 Reptiles Annual, accept our apologies. The picture from the 2003 Reptiles Annual was taken right here at the Ranch and through an unintentional photographic anomaly, the center gecko appeared more blue than it truly is. We have the largest collection of crested geckos in the world and "blue" cresteds just don’t exist...yet."