Abdominal leak in female P. irminia - a case report

OldFlash

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A sad one for me but it’s important to leave this record here on AB.

I removed this tissue from the abdomen of an adult female P. irminia last night. It's about the size of a single rice grain, little bit thicker.

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I noticed a yellowish jelly-like fluid stuck between her 4th leg and abdomen, but didn’t see any injury. During a closer look, after cleaning the fluid, I finally was able to find a small tear with a soft but solid tissue starting to spill out. At first, I tried pushing it back in, but that didn’t work. I decided to pull out what was already exposed in order to stop the leakage immediately . From what I’ve looked up, there’s a chance it could be a oviduct or maybe something tied to her digestive system.

For the past two weeks she had been spending most of her time outside her hide, which wasn’t usual. I noticed this, but there was nothing externally indicating something was wrong. I checked the burrow to see if there was anything bothering her, but nothing unusual. There was no fall, no crickets left in the terrarium that could have caused any damage, and nothing sharp that could have caused a perforation.
Putting the pieces together, I think something was happening internally, causing discomfort, making her more restless. Some kind of pressure that ended up causing that region to rupture, pushing things out.
One detail worth mentioning: she was paired on 02/01, a month ago.

The rupture is super close to where the abdomen meets the cephalothorax. This picture was taken after the "treatment":

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Needless to say she won’t survive. Obviously. She’s alive still but will likely die in the next few hours, completely lethargic.

If this diagram is correct, what I circled in it looks pretty similar to what was removed.

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The whole thing sucked. From the moment I decided to remove that thing I knew all hopes were gone.

Anyway, sharing this on the forum is a way to get something positive out of all this I guess.

And, of course, if any of you know what this tissue or organ might be, or if you’ve gone through something like this before, I’d love to get your input 👊
 
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I am sorry my friend 😔. I have never seen anything like this. It almost looks like the muscle/tendon that joins the t together.... I truly hope she heals and it is just connective tissue. My thoughts n hope are with you both.
 

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A sad one for me but it’s important to leave this record here on AB.

I removed this tissue from the abdomen of an adult female P. irminia last night. It's about the size of a single rice grain, little bit thicker.

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I noticed a yellowish jelly-like fluid stuck between her 4th leg and abdomen, but didn’t see any injury. During a closer look, after cleaning the fluid, I finally was able to find a small tear with a soft but solid tissue starting to spill out. At first, I tried pushing it back in, but that didn’t work. I decided to pull out what was already exposed in order to stop the leakage immediately . From what I’ve looked up, there’s a chance it could be a oviduct or maybe something tied to her digestive system.

For the past two weeks she had been spending most of her time outside her hide, which wasn’t usual. I noticed this, but there was nothing externally indicating something was wrong. I checked the burrow to see if there was anything bothering her, but nothing unusual. There was no fall, no crickets left in the terrarium that could have caused any damage, and nothing sharp that could have caused a perforation.
Putting the pieces together, I think something was happening internally, causing discomfort, making her more restless. Some kind of pressure that ended up causing that region to rupture, pushing things out.
One detail worth mentioning: she was paired on 02/01, a month ago.

The rupture is super close to where the abdomen meets the cephalothorax. This picture was taken after the "treatment":

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Needless to say she won’t survive. Obviously. She’s alive still but will likely die in the next few hours, completely lethargic.

If this diagram is correct, what I circled in it looks pretty similar to what was removed.

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The whole thing sucked. From the moment I decided to remove that thing I knew all hopes were gone.

Anyway, sharing this on the forum is a way to get something positive out of all this I guess.

And, of course, if any of you know what this tissue or organ might be, or if you’ve gone through something like this before, I’d love to get your input 👊
Your assumption about the ultimate outcome seems likely to me, too, but she would die either way and now you've taken the opportunity to make this a learning experience and share it with the community. That is much appreciated.
 

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So sorry to hear this, but thanks for sharing as you say it's important to document these things. Hope your T pulls through.
 

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Documenting this is highly appreciated. I've never read anything like this happening to any tarantula.

It kind of makes me think of an impaction but instead of the tarantula's anus being impacted it happened in another part of the abdomen.

With no source in the enclosure that could of caused this it's a puzzling mystery. I never read or heard of a gravid female going through such an ordeal. That's if she was even gravid.
 

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Quite tragic news for sure, sorry to learn of this.
Hope springs eternal,
However small, there is a chance.
Thanks for sharing the news.
Best Regards,
 

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I find this share to be valuable. Its sad for your tarantula. However, it helps us all learn.

that thing you pulled out really looks the same shape as in the anatomy picture.

notice anything off during the pairing?

was she overly fat? More then usual for a potentialy gravid female?
 

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Sometimes I wonder how often the females sustain internal injuries during pairing. I've seen one video from Dave's Little Beasties that showed a bit of spermatheca had torn and was visible on the male's palpal bulb after pairing Theraphosa stirmi.

The piece that came out of her does match the shape of the internal organs in that area of her abdomen.
I don't think that we can ever be 100% sure what happened to cause the rupture, but it is educational and very sad to see.
 

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Thank you all 👊👊. She didn’t make it, as expected.

notice anything off during the pairing?

was she overly fat? More then usual for a potentialy gravid female?
Pairing went 100% fine. Not overly fat, looked nice and healthy, eating normally.

I don't think that we can ever be 100% sure what happened to cause the rupture, but it is educational and very sad to see.
I cut her abdomen open looking for parasites (which could explain the rupture) but didn’t find anything unusual.

Maybe someday someone will be able to tell us at least what the removed “tissue” is 🙌

Thanks again guys.
 
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I’m sorry for both the experience you both had and resulting loss. Echoing the others, the documentation is appreciated.
 

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Thank you all 👊👊. She didn’t make it, as expected.



Pairing went 100% fine. Not overly fat, looked nice and healthy, eating normally.



I cut her abdomen open looking for parasites (which could explain the rupture) but didn’t find anything unusual.

Maybe someday someone will be able to tell us at least what the removed “tissue” is 🙌

Thanks again guys.
in photos of the inside? Were there eggs?
 

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in photos of the inside? Were there eggs?
No pictures. And I'm sorry for that. I was so frustrated with the whole thing, trying to find anything that could explain what happened that I didn't even think of taking pictures. But no, no eggs. just a big mush :/
 

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No pictures. And I'm sorry for that. I was so frustrated with the whole thing, trying to find anything that could explain what happened that I didn't even think of taking pictures. But no, no eggs. just a big mush :/
its all good i get that. My curiousity always gets the best of my manners.

really sorry for you loss.

something must has been off for a while.
 
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