50/50 Breeding

WyvernsLair

Arachnobaron
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I noticed a lot of the people on the female end of the deal prefer to buy males also. Why is that? well...hopefully David's experience is not the norm. But as he mentioed 50/50 on a species like parahybana could be a life saver.
it is always in the owner of the female's benefit to purchase a mature male outright if they don't have one already (especially if the person is inexperienced at breeding that species of spider). Unless the male dies during shipping, they don't need to worry about the headaches involved with failed breeding attempts, males getting killed and eaten, egg sacs getting eaten or going bad, shipping the male back (if he survived), etc and trying to explain all of that to the other person of the 50/50 that was a complete loss. In a straight up purchase, the owner of the male got their compensation already via the purchase price. Of course if the breeding turns out successful, the former owner of the male loses out big time in not getting any of the babies (nor his male back if it survived) and the owner of the female can make a much nicer profit in selling off the excess babies that hatch. The new owner of the male can then take that male (if it survived) and pass it out to other people in risky breeding loans or just sell it outright to make up for the cost they originally paid for him. It's a lottery.. do you take a risk on a 50/50 and possibly no compensation at all for your time and effort in raising the male if it goes badly, or do you sell him outright but lose out on possible profits/joy from babies if all goes well?

I really wanted to buy a male Grammostola pulchra outright this year to pair up to my large female. It was my first attempt at breeding her and I also knew how notorious they could be for breeding well, but not producing egg sacs. Mature males were not easy to come by this year. The best deal I could find was to buy a male at a reasonably reduced price, but in return if she does produce a successful egg sac, 25% of the babies are to go back to the former owner of the male. I accepted this deal, because at the very least I would not have to feel guilty about the other person possibly winding up getting absolutely nothing out of it. If there is going to be total loss on someone, it would only be on ME. He at least got some form of compensation upfront for what I paid for the male so it's not a total loss for him. The first pairing up of the spiders went great. The second, ended up with the male dead (female could not be physically pried off of him either - she spent a little over two days eating on him till there was nothing left but 6 legs and fangs). The other person was notified of the breeding results and of the death. Now, I can only sit back and hope that there was a silver bullet in the first mating and that, in the spring after being warmed up from a winter cool down, she gives us an egg sac instead of a molt.
 

recluse

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Loans in my opinion shouldn't be called loans. I generally dont expect the T back or slings. I hope for slings but so far after 5 years in the hobby have sent out many males and have never had a successful loan. I have had successful breedings myself though and sent "loaners" slings on more than one occassion, and have sent males on to other hobbyists if they didn't work for me. I will continue to send males onto other breeders in hopes of preserving theriphosids.
 

dtknow

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That is interesting. I wonder if the terms are not quite fair for those who end with males. I know on the tarantulaspiders site it suggests that if the female later produces a sack after killing someone elses male than it would be a 3 way....but I doubt that happens much. Ultimately the ball ends up with the person who owns the female, the male's owner can only hope he/she doesn't drop it.
 

GailC

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I've only been involved in one 50/50, I was the one who recieved the male. I will be sending the slings out hopefully in a few days, the loan has worked great for me.
The male did get eaten but his owner was ok with it and I will be sending him a few extra slings to try and make up for it. I'd much rather do a loan then purchasing the male, its like getting slings for free except for the postage.
 

OldHag

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Ive sent out 15 males that I can think of. Only ONE has produced for me. There are a few that the owner of the female never again contacted me so I wonder... but oh well. Not too worried about it, cant do a thing about it anyway.
Ive also bred a few of my females (6 to be exact) and only one of those produced a sucessful sack. The rest either molted or ate the sack.. & one died for some reason.

So its a gamble sending males off. But if they are successful you over run with wee ts :D
 

cacoseraph

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no joke, but if you are thinking about loaning a male you might want to make sure that the stupid person who owns the female HAS NOT BRED HER ALREADY!

seriously... i loaned a male to someone, their spider produced an eggsac... and they said i wasn't entitled to any cuz his female already mated once and made an eggsac. i couldn't believe how stupid this person was!

i mean... honestly, it defies understanding to have someone spend almost $50 shipping (i got screwed there, too... i loaned the male to someone before the idiot guy and it cost them like $45 to ship a damn spider!) a spider to you that is for a female that has already mated and produced an eggsac that molt!
 

xhexdx

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Wow, yeah, that's pretty ridiculous, caco!

I have 1 male out on loan, 1 more going out Monday, and 2 with me that are on loan from others. I feel my communication with everyone is very well, and I try to make sure the people my males go to have some sort of prior experience. The brachy breeding I'm working on are with males I own, so I don't have to worry if they don't take (although I PRAY they do!).

I'm an honest person and I make an honest living. Why be greedy and lie to keep a few extra bucks when I wouldn't have made any money selling slings if there was no male to begin with?

Just me though. There are plenty of dishonest people out there.
 

Travis K

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I bought my male

I bought My Male B. Smithi early summer of '07 in an anticipated maturing of spring of '08. If he doesn't mature this spring I think I will buy another MATURED male and attempt the breeding. This is my first breeding project and I am taking it very seriously. I am already season cycling both my B. Smithi's in hopes that this will increase success rates. I know this is a "hard" species to get slings from, but I am confident and optimistic.

As to the the subject at hand, buying the male on my part takes the pressure off of me. If my efforts go south and nothhing happens it would just make matters worse in my opinion to have let another person down.

If I am acctually successful in breeding this wonderfull species I would continue to do so and help others as well. I would love to try P. Metalica affter I am successful with B. Smithi.

For those of you that are working on breeding projects,:worship: , keep up the good work. It will only strengthen the hobby, and ensure T's in the wild are left alone or not overharvested.
 
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