50/50 Breeding

[138]

hey everyone,
just wondering what proper protocol would be on a 50/50 loan where the breeding is a bust. does the party that lent out the spider get screwed completely including initial shipping charges? just wondering....thanks.

happy new year!

 

[dotdman]

That's how it went with my little male Stromatopelma calceatum a couple of years back. It sucks, but it's part of the game.

Kindest regards,

Kevin P.

 

[Talkenlate04]

That is correct, unless you try to arrange otherwise before hand (which can be done) but is not done too often.

 

[138]

good to know. i won't make that mistake again. and it's a bunch of BS if you ask me. maybe i should just send him the old enclosure full of spider shit too. :?

 

[Talkenlate04]

It can be very frustrating. I have had many a males head out to their doom and they did "not" produce or were "killed". Crap does happen, and I hope I am dealing with honest people, but sometimes you never know for sure.

 

[bluefrogtat2]

basically

yeah but at the same time if something does turn out you get half for a male that would have died otherwise.kinda rolling the dice.have sent out several and no luck yet.but at the same time have received quite a few and have only sent out babies a few times.tarantulas don't have the success rate of some reptiles,dogs,etc..
but basically you pay to ship they pay to ship back the babies(if produced)pretty standard.and makes sense to me.(seeing as how your male is kinda worthless without producing offspring)or you could just let him wither away in his cage,alternative is kinda bleak.
bet you wouldn't have been complaining had it been successful?
andy

 

[bluefrogtat2]

advice

personally i advise you to offer for sale next time.obvious that you don't breed.
andy

 

[Talkenlate04]

personally i advise you to offer for sale next time.obvious that you don't breed.
andy

I like doing sale/sling arrangements myself. I sell for a reasonable price and ask for about 10-15 slings if there is a sac and not half. That way if everything goes bust I still got some cash for raising the damn thing, and it's even better if there is a sac.

 

[miarachnids]

I know it sounds llike a scam, but if you do a little reserch or ask for references you have a better chance of a return on your investment.
There are alot of good people out there that know there stuff when it comes to breeding
I have had 3 different males lent to me and all three produced.But i have sent out about 30 males with only a small % return. If it works its great. if it don't, Well the male isn't going to live to long anyways and you have room for another addition to the family.

I think breeder loans are a great way to promote breeding in the U.S.A.

My 2 cents

 

[miarachnids]

I like doing sale/sling arrangements myself. I sell for a reasonable price and ask for about 10-15 slings if there is a sac and not half. That way if everything goes bust I still got some cash for raising the damn thing, and it's even better if there is a sac.

I Like that idea too. nobody looses.

 

[bluefrogtat2]

agree

i send out all my males(after i use them)but haven't had much return either.still look to further our hobby.and have never got on here and complained about it.i have tried to produce a number of species with no results,others have went great.still say it is the chance you take.no scam.stated very clearly and is a basic understanding with tarantula keepers.maybe you should have researched a little first.and like i said you could have just left it in its cage to die if you felt so strongly.
andy

 

[SuperRad]

Breeding Loan Etiquette

Check this out as a resource. Maybe before your next breeding loan if you both read this page and agree on these common terms, then there wouldn't be any rough feelings if things fall short of expectations.

www.tarantulaspiders.com/page/breeding-loans

 

[David Burns]

You have to be careful. I once had a male lent to me and when I said the female molted and there were on slings. He didn't believe me, he wanted pics to prove the were no slings. :wall: I now refuse males from people I don't know. The only time I was ever glad that I used another persons male was when my L.parahybana gave up 1600 slings. Got rid of 800 in one go. I am lucky if 1 out of every 8 egg sacs are good.

 

[fartkowski]

I know it really sucks if people screw you over for slings, but at least breeding loans are good for the hobby. The people who truley care for our passion are the ones who for the most part will be honest. The more captive bred slings the better.
I just feel good knowing that my guys got a chance to do their thing.

 

[dtknow]

I noticed a lot of the people on the female end of the deal prefer to buy males also. Why is that? well...hopefully David's experience is not the norm. But as he mentioed 50/50 on a species like parahybana could be a life saver.

 

[David Burns]

If you send 10 males out for breeding. The odds are that at least one should result in slings. But remember, that means 9 of those males are lost, no slings.

 

[TTstinger]

sadly there are many greedy A88h%$% in this hobby in the states and the UK. and many of them are the one's many seem to look up to for breeding.
if one can breed what you have or buy males out right saves lots of trouble.
lots of :liar:

 

[scolex]

I just recived a male B. vagans and I paid for the shipping. If all goes well I agreed to some slings back, but they must pay the shipping on that. Communication is the key to 50/50's so no one feels like they got burned. Lets all hope for GOOD SACS THIS NEW YEAR!!!!

 

[vvx]

I noticed a lot of the people on the female end of the deal prefer to buy males also. Why is that? well...hopefully David's experience is not the norm. But as he mentioed 50/50 on a species like parahybana could be a life saver.

Well just reading through this thread you could guess some of them. Not having to worry about disappointment of the male lender, or having him claim you actually had a successful sac and are scamming him. Of course if you are confident in your ability to produce a sac the cost of a purchase is probably much lower than the value of 50% of the slings. (I personally would prefer purchase right now for the first reason I listed -- I'm inexperienced and don't want to waste someone else's money on failed breeding attempts.)

I think overall it works out for the female owner's favor whatever happens in a breeding loan. Really, it would make a ton more sense for the buyer to pay shipping of the male out. If you put shipping to the next female/return shipping onto the borrower their motivation to keep your MM is pretty low. If it gets eaten for example they just saved themselves $20 or $25 in return/forwarding shipping. Whereas if you as the lender were to pay that forward shipping the monetary incentive is at least gone.

 

[JColt]

I have sent out 3 males and got nothing. I recieved 2 males. One was dead when I recieved and other made 2 or 3 attempts to bred and was killed. No sac from female either