3-4" obt female breedable?

[gobey]

OBTs are prolific webbers so the weird webbing behavior doesn't mean anything special
OBTs are very reclusive I have 4 adults and only one eats in front of me. The other three get fed and the roaches are gone by the next morning.

Oh I know they web. She just out of nowhere decided it was time to make a "sphere" at the top and go on a mini fast.

And then she gave up a couple weeks later. Now she doesn't web much at all and eats again..... :/

She's a little more shy now that she's taken to the cave. But comes out for walks and sticks out of her hide halfway often.

The male is never seen as he webs himself in completely.


Again IDK. We're just waiting now.

Tarantulas. Who really knows what they're up to.

 

[Poec54]

"Why flood the market?", why not? this hobby is growing, and there is no harm in breeding T's. Only thing I can think of is a breeder can't sell them as fast, well that's supply and demand, the price will go way down.

'Why not flood the market?' Because most dealers won't even take them. It's not a matter of them 'selling them as fast.' They've got them coming out of their ears. As it is, dealers are already giving away OBT slings as freebies too often, sometimes to people who have no idea of what they're in for. It's not really worth their time to carry a sling that cheap. The price IS already way down. That's the problem. Then you have a sac to care for yourself. No experience, poor planning, and that's what you end up with. Great advice.

When you actually get things hatching out, you'll get an education on what really goes on.

 

[JohnDapiaoen]

'Why not flood the market?' Because most dealers won't even take them. It's not a matter of them 'selling them as fast.' They've got them coming out of their ears. It's not really worth their time to sell a sling that cheap. The price IS already way down. That's the problem. Then you have a sac to care for yourself. No experience, poor planning, and that's what you end up with.

When you actually get things hatching out, you'll get an education on what really goes on.

I think you're mistaking that breeding tarantulas is a main source of income for most people; it's not, it's a-- what's the word?... hobby?

lol When I actually get things hatching out huh? I was left with 600 slings of N. chromatus last month, all gone because I sold them, pretty easily I may add. Made close to $1000 and I'd say this sp. has numbers faaar greater than p murinus. But as you always say we're not here to make a quick buck, so what does it matter? sell low for the rest of us who still want them!

Great advice

Gee thanks buddy! :}

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

If you want to wait, wait. If you want to breed upon maturity regardless of size, do it. All I see is a bunch of personal preference and anecdote with zero scientific evidence to back it up. Bottom line is, mature is mature.

As far as breeding P murinus (or whatever common species), Poec I seem to recall you noting in another recent thread that beginners should be the ones focusing on the common species, leaving the experienced breeders to focus on the rarer species. Now, you seem to be advocating everyone avoiding breeding common species because of a market flood. Which is it?

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

If you want to wait, wait. If you want to breed upon maturity regardless of size, do it. All I see is a bunch of personal preference and anecdote with zero scientific evidence to back it up. Bottom line is, mature is mature.

As far as breeding P murinus (or whatever common species), Poec I seem to recall you noting in another recent thread that beginners should be the ones focusing on the common species, leaving the experienced breeders to focus on the rarer species. Now, you seem to be advocating everyone avoiding breeding common species because of a market flood. Which is it?

Yeah well said.

 

[Poec54]

As far as breeding P murinus (or whatever common species), Poec I seem to recall you noting in another recent thread that beginners should be the ones focusing on the common species, leaving the experienced breeders to focus on the rarer species. Now, you seem to be advocating everyone avoiding breeding common species because of a market flood. Which is it?

'Common' is one thing, 'flooded' is another. It's tough to find people to take OBT's and LP's, especially dealers, who can't charge enough to make it worth their while. Then what do you do with 150 OBT slings? Maintain and sell them one at a time for a couple bucks each? I don't think first time breeders are prepared for how time-consuming all of that is (which is why I don't sell that way). It doesn't take many LP sacs in a year to overwhelm the market. OBT's are not a species to be giving away to beginners as freebies.

There are plenty of common species that have some demand, that both individuals and dealers want. Look at pricelists. Anything selling retail for $20 to $30 is a good place focus.

 

[freedumbdclxvi]

Know why the market is "flooded"? Because LP's and OBT's and albos are the perfect beginner breeders. Not much needed outside toss thm together and watch out for the male. I don't think the market is the first thing a first time breeder should be considering when attempting to breed. Something that will be successful and give experience should be the first consideration. A good reason some of those spiders sell higher is because their breeding is a bit more involved. Force a beginner to work with one of them and, after a few failures, you may have just discouraged them from breeding.

The market is something for experienced breeders to worry about first, and a secondary concern for beginners.

 

[Poec54]

Know why the market is "flooded"? Because LP's and OBT's and albos are the perfect beginner breeders. Not much needed outside toss thm together and watch out for the male. I don't think the market is the first thing a first time breeder should be considering when attempting to breed. Something that will be successful and give experience should be the first consideration. A good reason some of those spiders sell higher is because their breeding is a bit more involved. Force a beginner to work with one of them and, after a few failures, you may have just discouraged them from breeding.

The market is something for experienced breeders to worry about first, and a secondary concern for beginners.

Beginners should know something about the market, because if they don't they could be feeding and watering hundreds of vials, which is probably not what they wanted to do. Kind of takes the fun out of it. I don't think it does them any good to be oblivious to what's going on in the market/hobby, and to have no clue whether they can sell, or have to give away what they breed.

The easiest spiders I've bred are Poecs. Put the male in overnight, take him out in the morning. Lampropelma violaceopes was just as simple. Augacephalus ezendami is just as easy as OBT's. One of the reasons some species prices are high is because there just aren't many people bothering to breed them. Species that retail for $20-$30 a sling are usually easy to breed, that's why they're in the affordable price range. The vast majority of captive tarantulas die as virgins. There's a lot of species that can be bred with little effort, but so many people have one of this, one of that; nothing's paired up. Think of the tens of thousands of slings produced and sold in this country every year, and how few of them will ever mate.

Beginning breeders are going to have a FAR more enjoyable experience if they can readily sell/trade the offspring they produce. That allows them to grow a collection at little or no cost, or to be able to cover the expenses of feeders, cages, shelves, etc. It should be a positive experience.

 

[Ultum4Spiderz]

Beginners should know something about the market, because if they don't they could be feeding and watering hundreds of vials, which is probably not what they wanted to do. Kind of takes the fun out of it. I don't think it does them any good to be oblivious to what's going on in the market/hobby, and to have no clue whether they can sell, or have to give away what they breed.

The easiest spiders I've bred are Poecs. Put the male in overnight, take him out in the morning. Lampropelma violaceopes was just as simple. Augacephalus ezendami is just as easy as OBT's. One of the reasons some species prices are high is because there just aren't many people bothering to breed them. Species that retail for $20-$30 a sling are usually easy to breed, that's why they're in the affordable price range. The vast majority of captive tarantulas die as virgins. There's a lot of species that can be bred with little effort, but so many people have one of this, one of that; nothing's paired up. Think of the tens of thousands of slings produced and sold in this country every year, and how few of them will ever mate.

Beginning breeders are going to have a FAR more enjoyable experience if they can readily sell/trade the offspring they produce. That allows them to grow a collection at little or no cost, or to be able to cover the expenses of feeders, cages, shelves, etc. It should be a positive experience.

SO your better off breeding something high in demand correct?
And Most Ts die off un-bred right? I figured that is usually the case lots of males live very short after maturity.

 

[Poec54]

SO your better off breeding something high in demand correct?

Not necessarily in 'high' demand, but something that individuals and dealers actually want, at least in 'moderate' demand. If you shoot for 'low demand/oversaturated', it's not going to be a lot of fun unloading them. Why go thru that exercise? What do you learn from that? There's easy-to-breed species that are much easier to move. And you can 'learn' just as much by breeding them. After it's all said and done, the beginning breeder shouldn't say: 'I never want to go thru that again.'