Unfortunetly, there are not any tarantula vets in my town..

abryan1992

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I'm pretty worried about him. Hasn't molted since I got him (7-8 months), hasn't ate in 3 1/2 months, and his foot has fallen off. Always tries to climb the tank walls(unsucessfully i might add) and likes to hide in his mini cardboard box i put in or him since he never burrowed. Is he sick or just becoming an old grouch?
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Few things to start off with...

1. It is common for adult Grammostola species to go long periods of time without molting. I have two G. pulchripes going on two years now with no molt.

2. It is common for adult Grammostola species to go long periods of time without eating. My first G. rosea went 3 1/2 months without eating as well. They can go even longer.

3. Read: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~schultz/roses.html. This has all the info you need for G. rosea.

Now a few questions....
1. Does its pedipalps look balled up like its wearing boxing gloves? And are there hooks under its first set of legs?

It looks like a mature male to me. If it has the features I asked about, then it is a mature male. In which case, it will explain the wear an tear, not molting, and not eating, as well as the constant climbing. Which also means, it is on its way out.

2. Where did you purchase it? If at a pet store, then it is a wild caught specimen. That means there is high chance of buying a mature male.

If it isn't a mature male, then a few molts will repair the broken foot. It's abdomen looks like it is darkening so a molt might be coming your way. How long? No one can tell you. When it's near, the abdomen will be a shiny black color.

Post some pics of your setup. If you have it set up improperly, that could also explain the constant climbing, and even the broken foot. If you don't have enough substrate, your T is at risk of falling and becoming injured or possibly dying. As for not burrowing, some will, some wont. Nothing to worry about.

And lastly, there is no "Tarantula Vet". There is nothing that a so called "T Vet" could do that you, or any other hobbyist, can't do themselves. So before you even try to find a vet, or pay someone to supposedly look at it, stick to the boards for the help you need, and use the search function. Everything you could possibly need to know or do can be found right here on the site.

Finally,

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abryan1992

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1st Question: No they look pretty normal
2nd Question: Yes he is a male, I figured that out a while ago since he has the tribal hooks
3rd Question: Yes I bought him at a pet store, they had him for a long time probably around 6 months if i can remember correctly

I cant post pictures now, but i have the tank separated off(just did this today) One side has him and the other side has my pink toe. (they cant get to each other, believe me i have tested it many, many times.) I did have him in a 5 gallon tank with just a water dish and his little cardboard box.(about the size of tennis ball). Now the 10 gallon is split off. nothing for him to climb on except the box. He likes to sit on top of his box, but only if hes been walking around for a while. About 2 inches of substrate. Humidity 70 degrees, temp. 80.

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How did you split the tank? There have been too many threads where the person thought they couldn't reach each other, and it ended in disaster. Are you using one of those mesh lids on the 10g? If so, either of your Ts could easily push through the crack of the divider and the mesh lid and reach the other side.

Also, if it has tibial hooks, then it has the modified pedipalps that all males have.

And 2 inches in a 10 gallon is not safe for your G. rosea. A fall from that height could injure it, and may be the cause of losing the foot (i.e. dangling). You need to fill the substrate to AT LEAST HALF. The general rule is that if your T's front legs are touching the top, then it's back legs should be on the ground.


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If he has the tibial hooks, then it is a mature male and also should have the bulbs on the pedipalps. Unfortunately, a mature male has reached the end of its life span. They only rarely even attempt a postultimate molt, and if they do, they rarely survive it. Since yours hasn't eaten in a few months, I'd guess its nearing the end. His abdomen still looks big (if that's a recent picture) so he might last a little while longer.
 

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I recently lost my mature male G. rosea. For both of your sakes, I hope that you find him one morning in a death curl having passed quietly in the night. Mine did not. He attempted the post-ultimate molt. I found him, half in, half out of his exuvium (old skin) struggling to free himself. I'll spare you the details, but one of the few things worse than losing a beloved pet is having to put it down yourself. Enjoy him while he lasts, and maybe find a sling to grow to eventually fill his cage.
 

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There actually is T. vets out there just not enough to go around..
Really? There are barely any T specialists period, I'm surprised there are any T vets at all.

Maybe try to find a female to pair him with or try the invertsonals to see if you can loan him out. Unfortunately as you have gathered from the other posts it doesn't seem like he has long left. Good luck!
 

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There actually is T. vets out there just not enough to go around..
I have been a vet tech for a long time and have yet to meet even an extoic vet who works on tarantulas. I had one exotic vet who was willing to work on them, and had kept a few himself. However, he even admitted that he didn't know any more about them then the average hobbyist, and certainly nothing medical that he would feel right charging for.

Vets aren't taught about tarantulas when they are in school. As a rule, if you do find one that will look at your spider, they really aren't going to be actually "trained" for it, and you'll be paying for something that most hobbyists likely have the knowledge to at least attempt on their own.

I'm not saying there are zero vets who work on tarantulas, but the vast majority do not. It's simply not something they are trained for, and there is very little actual medical information available regarding tarantulas. I believe I have heard of only one legit tarantula veterinarian.
 

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I have a tank divider meant for fish tank, strong plastic with pin holes from air to pass(or water in a fish sake haha). and my tarantula is too heavy to climb his tank. He tries to climb, even strtching on one leg, but never suceeds. Just too big.

Here are some pictures of the tank:
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Your spider is not too big to climb, no spider is. I've got a 7.5" Lasiodora parahybana that hangs out on the walls for hours. So you need to go buy some substrate and fill it on up to at least half. I would also recommend not using a divided tank. If you are using a mesh lid without anything on top to hold it down in the middle, then either spider could easily pass over to the other side. That would end ugly. Even if you do use something g to weigh it down, you can easily forget one day. My advice is to head on down to Walmart, pick up a sterilize shoebox and then another, taller container for the A. avicularia and drill in some air holes. It will be $7 or 8 total and you won't need to spend a ton more money on substrate filling it up because 2-3" of substrate in the shoebox will be fine for the G. rosea.
 

abryan1992

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I'm not saying his is too big, I'm saying he is too heavy. I have had him for almost a year, and I have never seen him climb his tank. No evidence of climbing either. His feet do not stick to the glass. I'll fill the tank with more substrate. As of my Avicularia, another tank would probably be better since I bought him thinking he was a ground dweller(there wont be any more pet store buying for me haha).

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I dont mean to sound rude, I just dont see the point in wasting a perfectly good glass tank that are pretty expensive... I have a empty 5 gallon I could put the Avicularia in if absolutely necessary.
 

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I have been a vet tech for a long time and have yet to meet even an extoic vet who works on tarantulas. I had one exotic vet who was willing to work on them, and had kept a few himself. However, he even admitted that he didn't know any more about them then the average hobbyist, and certainly nothing medical that he would feel right charging for.

Vets aren't taught about tarantulas when they are in school. As a rule, if you do find one that will look at your spider, they really aren't going to be actually "trained" for it, and you'll be paying for something that most hobbyists likely have the knowledge to at least attempt on their own.

I'm not saying there are zero vets who work on tarantulas, but the vast majority do not. It's simply not something they are trained for, and there is very little actual medical information available regarding tarantulas. I believe I have heard of only one legit tarantula veterinarian.
yea I agree with what you are saying.. but I have met a vet that specializes in exotic pets. More recently he started running tests and research on venomous critters such as tarantulas. the guys at my LPS got him to come to a seminar at one of our monthly society meeting. He demonstrated how to anesthetize tarantulas, ways of healing cuts and wounds, Tarantula anatomy, and a few other things. He did mention that his goal is to make it a common to take pets like tarantulas to vets. as of now there is not many books or much info out there for medicinal practices on these kinds of pets.. Like I mentioned in other posts Ive made( about T. vets) I am realy bad with names so I cant recall his name.. It would be nice if I could get him to post a thread here in AB about this stuff...
 

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I dont mean to sound rude, I just dont see the point in wasting a perfectly good glass tank that are pretty expensive... I have a empty 5 gallon I could put the Avicularia in if absolutely necessary.
Is it not wasting a perfectly good tank AND a perfectly good tarantula by putting it in a tank that might ultimately cause it's death? I'm not one who subscribes to the smallest tank possible theory (except for very small slings that can disappear in an over-sized tank) because I think it helps encourage more natural behavior, but you could just use that tank for ONE spider, and fill it with more substrate. I don't think a 10 gallon is "huge" for a rosie. It's even more wasteful if that same tank ends up resulting in the death of TWO tarantulas because they gain access to each other and ultimately fight. Besides, pink toes and rosies are pretty much as opposite as you can get except both being NW. One is arboreal, loves humidity. The other terrestrial and a dry habitat species. I don't see how you can be providing proper humidity levels for both species at once in that tank, for starters.
 
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the guys at my LPS got him to come to a seminar at one of our monthly society meeting. He demonstrated how to anesthetize tarantulas, ways of healing cuts and wounds, Tarantula anatomy, and a few other things.
All of which are things that, like Shell put it,

you'll be paying for something that most hobbyists likely have the knowledge to at least attempt on their own.
Take a little time on this board (or even just read a book like the TKG) and you'll find out how to use CO2 to knock out a tarantula, what to put on your tarantula if it starts to bleed, and I sure hope that the vast majority of people here know basic tarantula anatomy. Until he moves beyond playing mad vet scientist and it actually becomes studied in vet schools it's just shelling out money for what the average hobbyist can do.
 

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What Chris is trying to say is to seperate the two, I'd go aquarium for the G.rosea (filled with much more substrate) and a tall container for the Rosea. Another thing just because your rosea won't climb it doesn't mean it won't burrow underneath and collapse the damn thing. Or the Avic won't find a way to eventually squeeze through. I've tried using those dividers with bettas awhile back and they were flimsy as :poop:.
 
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yea I agree with what you are saying.. but I have met a vet that specializes in exotic pets. More recently he started running tests and research on venomous critters such as tarantulas. the guys at my LPS got him to come to a seminar at one of our monthly society meeting. He demonstrated how to anesthetize tarantulas, ways of healing cuts and wounds, Tarantula anatomy, and a few other things. He did mention that his goal is to make it a common to take pets like tarantulas to vets. as of now there is not many books or much info out there for medicinal practices on these kinds of pets.. Like I mentioned in other posts Ive made( about T. vets) I am realy bad with names so I cant recall his name.. It would be nice if I could get him to post a thread here in AB about this stuff...
"Exotic" pet vets means birds, snakes, we even have an occasional giraffe at the vet school's exotic animal clinic. But tarantulas are defacto not included because there is so little physiological information about them. There's a big difference between a gila monster and a tarantula, so whatever kinds of "tests" he's running on "venomous animals" (see how broad that term is?) the problem will still be that there aren't any "tests" for tarantulas. In order to "test" something, you have to have a baseline to compare to so you know what is normal, what are the indicators of abnormality and what those indicators imply about the health of the organism overall. There just isn't that type of information around for Ts sadly so everything he's demonstrating to you can be garnered by using the search function here on the AB- including surgical intervention on cysts, repairing wounds, anesthesia, etc. None of that would be considered technical veterinary knowledge as it is all practiced by hobbyists and was more or less the result of trial and error. Very different than real pathological studies. In order to make tarantulas the kind of pet you can take to a vet, you first have to understand how their bodies work and that is the part we don't really know much about. Beyond that you are just sort of applying common sense and inferring from other species what a good course of action might be, which is not what would be called a "vet that specializes in Ts" at all. AB members as a group have preformed all these services on some of their own pets, does that make them tarantula veterinary specialists? Understand the distinction? I'm not being harsh/ciritical, just to clarify since tone is very difficult to appreciate in an online post. Just trying to explain what the difference is and why you can't consider any "exotic vet" specialists to be specialists in Ts, even if they have glued and abdomen or two back together.
 

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All of which are things that, like Shell put it,



Take a little time on this board (or even just read a book like the TKG) and you'll find out how to use CO2 to knock out a tarantula, what to put on your tarantula if it starts to bleed, and I sure hope that the vast majority of people here know basic tarantula anatomy. Until he moves beyond playing mad vet scientist and it actually becomes studied in vet schools it's just shelling out money for what the average hobbyist can do.
I forgot to mention that he has a Phd in this, that is exactly what he is trying to do, and he is studying it may not be a standard for vets but thats what he wants, and I never mentioned him charging money for anything. My point was there is someone out there trying to change things.. if you think he doesnt know anymore than you do then maybe you should be a Doc no?
 

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I forgot to mention that he has a Phd in this, that is exactly what he is trying to do, and he is studying it may not be a standard for vets but thats what he wants, and I never mentioned him charging money for anything. My point was there is someone out there trying to change things.. if you think he doesnt know anymore than you do then maybe you should be a Doc no?
I am a doc lol

So this guy has his PhD in Tarantula what? I'm absolutely flabbergasted that no one in this relatively small community (even globally) has ever heard of him, regardless if you don't remember his name. Also, PhD is not for vets so that's the first problem with that claim. They get a VD. Just like people doctors, we get MDs and PhDs later or first if we want them but they are separate tracks. You only have to go to undergrad and then right to med school/vet school to become a vet or doctor. The PhD is for scientists, not clinicians. Some people like to get both in medicine but it's hugely uncommon for vets.

Now I'm dying to know who this mysterious person is. You must find the name, from your description of his interactions with your community you would at least know where to find him or who to ask what his name is. As a PhD there is no way he doesn't have some publications out there for us to benefit from...
 
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I'm not saying his is too big, I'm saying he is too heavy. I have had him for almost a year, and I have never seen him climb his tank. No evidence of climbing either. His feet do not stick to the glass. I'll fill the tank with more substrate. As of my Avicularia, another tank would probably be better since I bought him thinking he was a ground dweller(there wont be any more pet store buying for me haha).

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I dont mean to sound rude, I just dont see the point in wasting a perfectly good glass tank that are pretty expensive... I have a empty 5 gallon I could put the Avicularia in if absolutely necessary.
Trust me, it is NOT too heavy. A 7.5" LP is heavier than any 5 or 6" G. rosea. Also, you're right, glass tanks are expensive. That's why I, and many hobbyyists, don't use them. There are better alternatives that can provide better safety for your Ts and won't leave you with an empty wallet.

yea I agree with what you are saying.. but I have met a vet that specializes in exotic pets. More recently he started running tests and research on venomous critters such as tarantulas. the guys at my LPS got him to come to a seminar at one of our monthly society meeting. He demonstrated how to anesthetize tarantulas, ways of healing cuts and wounds, Tarantula anatomy, and a few other things. He did mention that his goal is to make it a common to take pets like tarantulas to vets. as of now there is not many books or much info out there for medicinal practices on these kinds of pets.. Like I mentioned in other posts Ive made( about T. vets) I am realy bad with names so I cant recall his name.. It would be nice if I could get him to post a thread here in AB about this stuff...
There's no reason for it to become common practice to take Ts to the vet. That's just wasting money. I don't pay anyone to mow my grass because I can do it myself. Same with a "T vet", I can do the same thing and everything I would ever need to do can be found on here. There is no special equipment, medicine, or procedures that they have, that we don't. For Ts, at least.
 
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